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its bow season in Wisconsin. where do you think I'm posting on here from? All you need is crunchy leaves good hearing
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tjones
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Y'all seen the movie "The Purge"?
rhomas
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I'm hunting almost every day and have been since August 15th. So far I've put 7 deer in 4 different people's freezers, including mine. I donate venison to a couple of folks every year, after I get my sausage, burger, cubed steak, and stew meat. I passed on a big old doe around 5:15 this afternoon because her back and sides were all rubbed up. I figured she'd already been bred.
spook12
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I've been hunting for a few weeks and unable to reply to this stupid s#*t,but i'm home cleaning some gear before i'm off again,so here goes.
You are correct the AR platform is not an Assault Rifle,it is actually a ''Battle rifle'' or ''Combat Rifle''. it has as much in common with the Remington 1100 as a broken piece of glass has in common with a Diamond,''They both can bend light''.
Every single thing about the design of the AR ,from the round chosen, to the materials,the inline pistol grip stock,the flash suppressors,the Mag well,Mag release button,selector switch shape and location where implemented for one reason and one reason only. To allow the operator to put as much effective fire on target as possible.
When guys like you enter the debate with what can only be described as ''Out right lies'' or ''Extremely uninformed'' statements it sure makes it hard on those of us out here that want no more infringements on the 2nd to be taken seriously by those who are ''riding the fence''.
Those gun grabbing freaks on the left are a joke they should be marginalized in the eyes of the those in the middle,but it sure doesn't help when we have our own ''Knuckleheads'' that want to suggest that an AR is ''just like my Remington 1100''.
rhomas
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Spook 12 The AR15 has some characteristics and similar appearance features as an "assault weapon" or as you called it a "Battle rifle" or "Combat rifle", but in actuality it can not fire in a fully automatic mode but only in semi-auto mode which indeed makes it more like a Remington 1100 than an M-16. I can add a magazine extension to my 1100, which allows it to fire 8 rounds just as rapidly as I can pull the trigger, which is exactly how fast my Bushmaster can fire as well. Also, the AR is now available in many different cartridge configurations, making it a much more versatile gun for everyone from the small game hunter to dangerous game and for children to the aged. As for your comment "When guys like you enter the debate with what can only be described as ''Out right lies'' or ''Extremely uninformed'' statements it sure makes it hard on those of us out here that want no more infringements on the 2nd to be taken seriously by those who are ''riding the fence''.
Those gun grabbing freaks on the left are a joke they should be marginalized in the eyes of the those in the middle,but it sure doesn't help when we have our own ''Knuckleheads'' that want to suggest that an AR is ''just like my Remington 1100''. " Perhaps the problem lies with the simple minded individuals such as yourself who have their own prejudices against the AR style guns as the anti-gunners. Nothing I've said concerning the AR 15 is an "out right lie", nor "extremely uninformed"; rather everything I've said is the truth. If you go back nearly a century and read the comments surrounding the introduction of the semi-automatic rifles that resembled the military versions of those days, you will find the same arguments against those rifles were made by the lever action and single shot crowd with the same unjustified prejudices that you and dukes_daddy have shown. The Second Amendment shouldn't even be a subject for debate, and neither should the type of rifle or shotguns that have become popular today. As I stated and still haven't received a reply to, show me an instance where an actual honest to goodness military assault weapon has been used in this country in any mass murder, since the Thompson sub-machine gun was used in the St. Valentines Massacre!! And how about the true liars stop calling our AR style guns "assault weapons"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those gun grabbing freaks on the left are a joke they should be marginalized in the eyes of the those in the middle,but it sure doesn't help when we have our own ''Knuckleheads'' that want to suggest that an AR is ''just like my Remington 1100''. " Perhaps the problem lies with the simple minded individuals such as yourself who have their own prejudices against the AR style guns as the anti-gunners. Nothing I've said concerning the AR 15 is an "out right lie", nor "extremely uninformed"; rather everything I've said is the truth. If you go back nearly a century and read the comments surrounding the introduction of the semi-automatic rifles that resembled the military versions of those days, you will find the same arguments against those rifles were made by the lever action and single shot crowd with the same unjustified prejudices that you and dukes_daddy have shown. The Second Amendment shouldn't even be a subject for debate, and neither should the type of rifle or shotguns that have become popular today. As I stated and still haven't received a reply to, show me an instance where an actual honest to goodness military assault weapon has been used in this country in any mass murder, since the Thompson sub-machine gun was used in the St. Valentines Massacre!! And how about the true liars stop calling our AR style guns "assault weapons"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Your St Valentine's Day Massacre point is not correct:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
WV Hunter
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I think his original statement was talking about legally owned NFA weapons. To my knowledge there has only been one crime committed with a legally owned full auto weapon since 1934 NFA and that was a murder done by a police officer in OH with a MAC.
2 crimes w/ legally owned full autos, both in OH:
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
Not sure if the St. Val's Day guns were legally purchased, considering the culprits.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
Not sure if the St. Val's Day guns were legally purchased, considering the culprits.
spook12
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rhomas,The AR platform is in fact a ''Battle rifle'' or Combat rifle'' those are not names that I call it, that is what the designers where trying to create.You are correct that the AR15 without modifications can't fire fully automatic, but that is it,that is the only difference between the civilian and military configurations.
For you to compare the AR to an 1100 ignores all of the other design features that are there for that stated goal of ''Effective fire on target''. Every single thing about the original design and every modification since has been done for that singular purpose.Do you think that the same criteria was used when the 1100 was designed? I could sit here and peck out all of the features that been implemented into the AR that you won't find any any firearm that was designed with the civilian market in mind ,but i will leave it to you to find that info on your own,if you are so inclined.
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From the link: The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio
Possibly??
rhomas
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Ben, thank you for the link. I had never read or heard of these two instances, so I appreciated the information. I will then state no school shootings, mall shootings, or any other attacks against any groups of people have used "assault weapons" since the AR platform became a popular main stream gun for many Americans.
As for Spook, do you have an legitimate proof that today's gun owners purchase the AR-15 with the intent to use it as a battle weapon in any case other than an assault perpetrated by our own government against civilians who legally own and possess such guns? I will also stand by my comments that a semi-auto rifle or shotgun is nothing more than just that........a semi-auto, regardless of the action, appearance, design, color, caliber, or capacity. BTW, most of my shotguns and rifles are black, and I'm pretty capable of rapid fire whether I'm using a semi-auto or a bolt action. As a matter of fact I have killed multiple deer many times with both a semi-auto shotgun and a bolt action rifle, when they were in a group, so I don't believe the fact that I own two AR style rifles has any bearing on killing capacities for me or the majority of others who own such guns. The point is that no government agency has the legal right under the Constitution to regulate or restrict in any manner whatsoever my right to own such weapons or the magazines that they utilize. Also, referring to them as "assault weapons" is simply following the lead of the gun grabbers by the use of misinformation and creating false scare tactics in order to gain support for their goal of complete gun registration and ultimately confiscation per the words of people like Feinstein, Pelosi, Schumer, Bloomberg and the imposter in chief!!!!!!!!!
As for Spook, do you have an legitimate proof that today's gun owners purchase the AR-15 with the intent to use it as a battle weapon in any case other than an assault perpetrated by our own government against civilians who legally own and possess such guns? I will also stand by my comments that a semi-auto rifle or shotgun is nothing more than just that........a semi-auto, regardless of the action, appearance, design, color, caliber, or capacity. BTW, most of my shotguns and rifles are black, and I'm pretty capable of rapid fire whether I'm using a semi-auto or a bolt action. As a matter of fact I have killed multiple deer many times with both a semi-auto shotgun and a bolt action rifle, when they were in a group, so I don't believe the fact that I own two AR style rifles has any bearing on killing capacities for me or the majority of others who own such guns. The point is that no government agency has the legal right under the Constitution to regulate or restrict in any manner whatsoever my right to own such weapons or the magazines that they utilize. Also, referring to them as "assault weapons" is simply following the lead of the gun grabbers by the use of misinformation and creating false scare tactics in order to gain support for their goal of complete gun registration and ultimately confiscation per the words of people like Feinstein, Pelosi, Schumer, Bloomberg and the imposter in chief!!!!!!!!!
HSi-ESi
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Your legal disclaimer is getting longer.
Only electrons were harmed in submitting this post.
I don't think there are any of us on this sit,who have not made a statement we wish we had not made,me included.
do I agree with said opinion? NO.
should he be told how people feel about his comment?YES.
should he be fired,or shoved under a bus as the saying goes,NO.
oppinions are like the hole between your butt crack,every one has one.:W:
do I agree with said opinion? NO.
should he be told how people feel about his comment?YES.
should he be fired,or shoved under a bus as the saying goes,NO.
oppinions are like the hole between your butt crack,every one has one.:W:
