The Nature Conservancy Exposed!!!!!!!

[Ithaca 37]

Finally! An expose' of the evils of The Nature Conservancy---truly a wolf at our door and a threat to everything American! How could we have been so naive? We've been duped by one of the most clever and dangerous greenie organizations ever to pollute the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Read this and wake up to the greatest threat we've ever faced!

http://www.rangemagazine.com/tnc/tnc-sp-03.htm

Here's the whole sordid story!:

http://www.rangemagazine.com/tnc/tnc-sp-03a.pdf

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 04-01-2003 22:34: Message edited by: Ithaca 37 ]</font>

 

[Washington Hunter]

Oh geez...that guy is a total idiot! He's got to be a welfare rancher.

 

[Washington Hunter]

I admit, all I read was the page from that first link. But that was enough to tell me that guy is a wacko. If I get a chance tonight, I'll read the entire thing.

 

[Muledeer4me]

Oak,I got to page 14,I have to get to work here soon so I stopped for now,I will finish the rest.
So far I thought it was well worth reading.
I noticed some intresting things ------the term (Preserving Biological Diversity)came up ,as it seem to every time I read any link's to radical invironment org,including stuff on the UN site.
I also though page 8 the last 3 paragraphs & onto page 9 was intresting,as well as page 12.
This quote below is something I see too often at what I think are the radical invironmental site's (those being linked with non-hunting/non-firearm supporter's.

"Examine even the most radical environmental approch to shift the human population of the west into controlled core settlements bordering a vast "corridor" of wilderness from the yucatan to the yukon ,and know that the plan presented by Reed Ness and Ross Forman was funded by The Nature Conservancy."

I found alot of the same concern's many of us have been talking about to be in that link.
I also find alot of it very concerning .
The shift of closing off access ,blocking large area from human's ,this flooding us with the term (Biological Diversity) the assult on the public lands rancher,bring back large predator's?
While I believe we need to protect what we have and I think alot of these issue on there own have merit,when I look at the big picture and start putting the piece's together (as in that link) It's just to odd.

Are we as well meanning people being taken in by the radical invironmental groups?
Are we giving up to much freedom in the name of conservation?
Are we being suckered into dividing ourself's up into little elite groups,with the help of some of these org. ?
Oak, forgive me for being paranoid and haveing a mind like a steel trap

but I see that Graham Chisholm to be too much like someone I have seen post before.

I would call him a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Or do you guy's think that's a fair way to be dealing with people,in the name of the invironment and conservation?
Good Link Ithaca.

 

[Oak]

That was actually an interesting read. I wonder if you two even read it.

It took me an hour an 45 minutes!

If many of you do read it, you could argue this topic for weeks! I'd be curious to see some real opinions on it. I suggest printing it for reading, though.

Oak

 

[dgibson]

Well, after wading through all 24 pages of it, I have to say that it makes some very interesting allegations and points. It certainly bears further investigation. It somewhat appears that the original intentions of TNC have been perverted. I know Ithaca's got his tongue firmly planted in cheek, but I have to say that there might be a kernel of truth in the article.

 

[Muledeer4me]

Dgibson,yep I agree it's something worth checking into.

That is the scary part,you get well meaning people wanting to support good invironmental org. but they don't follow through and check them out like they should.
As I remember some of this stuff is what Whitedeer posted and he was told he was full of chit.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Well, first ya gotta look at the source and the rhetoric the author is using. Right away he loses credibility.

 

[Washington Hunter]

MD4M, Just FYI, environmental is spelled with an "e." Thought you might want to know that so people can understand what you're saying.

 

[JoseCuervo]

What an amazing article. That thing was written with the words:
Maybe
Supposedly
Probably
Possibly

more times than any other article I had ever read. It was written in a style, that carefully avoids accusations and allegations, perhaps because of the lack of facts.

It looks as if avoiding Libel was one of the key constraints in the article. I honestly can't say that I disagree with the facts in the article, as there are no facts. I have difficulty reading the author's style, as it is somewhat challenging to follow. It is almost as if someone got a new thesarus, and an assignment for 24 pages, on a 2 page story. And thirdly, I can not argue the author's conclusions, as it does not seem to have one, other than to affirm his headline.

It is somewhat interesting, as the author does not state if the article is a news story, or a commentary/opinion piece. I believe it to be an opinion, as it does not seem to stand up to any typical tests of journalism.

Yawn.......

 

[Ithaca 37]

That's the Range Magazine style. That's the kinda crap these ranchers grow up reading and that's why they have such a distorted view of reality, rooted in conspiracy theories, innuendo and suppostitiously presented as fact. I have a real hard time dealing with it, as I'm sure is evident in my postings. It defies logic, truth and rationality. I understand the basis for their paranoia. Put yourself in their place! If you grew up reading shit like that and continued reading it thru adulthood, if you weren't well educated or capable of rational analysis, if you just never knew any better, you'd probably have their trench mentality also. It's hammered into most of them since birth, just like racial hatred into some KKK kid.

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[JoseCuervo]

Here is one for you

Spewers of the Range

It tells of how bad the range conditions were before Welfare Ranching and how Lewis and Clark almost starved to death before getting to California

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Before American settlers there was very little green feed or wildlife in the West, as is noted by Lewis and Clark who almost starved to death before reaching California <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And for another insightful quote:

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Over the past 50 years, they have even changed how we think about the western lands. Most Americans would tell you today that the western lands belong to them, they are "public." But the old-timers still alive who came from the families that first settled these lands will tell you a different story. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I promise I am not making these up....

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 04-03-2003 06:27: Message edited by: Elkgunner ]</font>

 

[Ithaca 37]

Hage vs US. I'm pretty sure our former Idaho Rep. Helen (can the salmon) Chenowith is now married to Hage.

That's a real nutty site you found for us, Elkgunner. Thank you!

Here's more of what Stewards of the Range has to say!

http://www.stewardsoftherange.org/

Like I have said, it's no wonder the welfare ranchers have such a distorted idea of reality!

 

[dgibson]

I agree that there are no references to where all of this data came from. That's why I say "it appears" and "bears further investigation." Unfortunately, that investigation would have to be done by someone with a lot more connections, time, and skill than poor little old me. I'm sure TNC just ignored the article, but I would be interested to see their rebuttal.

 

[JoseCuervo]

I noticed in today's Statesman, but I can't find it in the Online version, that the Supreme Court ruled against the LU Ranching case that is being led by the Sewers of the Range.
Sewers of the Range
They claimed that written notice was not adequate from the BLM on one of their Snake River Basin Adjudication acts. They wanted to be personally advised, and the court ruled that since there were 150,000 impacted parties in this Adjudication, it was not possible.

Ithica,
Yes, that Hage is the same one that Chenoworth married. You have to wonder about a lady who required the media to refer to her as "Congressman".