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Republican's Editorial on Dubya's Hunting and Fishing Support

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A long read, and a good read... It would be intersting to hear from the GOP hunters, if they agree with their fellow GOP writer.

Guest Viewpoint: Hunters, anglers: Beware of the GOP

By Mike Beagle


"Looks like snow," my 61-year-old father said to me ominously as I set up my tent. Snow in the high Cascades during the third week of October is nothing new. Nor is listening to forecasts that predict balmy weather for the next few days.

But backpacking into Oregon's gorgeous and rugged 58,000-acre Mount Thielsen Wilderness requires more than high-tech predictions, space-age toys and speculation. The physical and mental stamina required to make this backpack to 7,100 feet, just below the craggy 9,178-foot pinnacle, is both rewarding and unforgiving.

It is an age-old, mentally and physically challenging part of the natural history of the American West that indigenous people sought and enjoyed, as did such great historical figures as Lewis and Clark, James Clyman, Jim Bridger, Theodore Roosevelt and Oregon's own Republican hunter-conservationist, Judge John Waldo.

Sharing the experience with my father was beyond precious. It was the epitome of America's outdoor expe- rience.

Now it seems as if the "strenuous life," as Theodore Roosevelt once put it, is under attack by the very party to which he belonged. Yes folks, the Grand Old Party - the Republicans - is inadvertently supporting the soft breakdown of our society. This is the party built on "rugged individualism" and toughness. Or so it was. This attack is not overt in the way that we see things in our daily lives, but it is happening much like the slow and steady demise of the Northwest's legendary wild salmon heritage.

Because of the proliferation of fast-food "value" meals, an over-reliance on technological advancements and motorized equipment and a presidential administration that cozies up to extractive industries , our nation's health continues to deteriorate. With the exception of the U.S. Armed Forces and people who hunt, fish and hike in America's backcountry, the strenuous life that Roosevelt highlighted is being replaced by an obese, diabetes-ravaged and technologically dependent group of people (does that remind you of somebody from Ohio!! :D ) who have no appreciation for the peace and solitude of the natural world. They want things the easy way, rather than earning them with their own sweat equity.

The list of public lands abuses by the current administration is long. It ranges from trying to drill for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (designated by GOP President Dwight Eisenhower) to clear-cutting the Tongass National Forest in Alaska to opening of public lands along the Rocky Mountain front to oil and gas development, to stopping the reintroduction of the grizzly bear in central Idaho to the dismantling of the U.S. Forest Service roadless rule. Hunters and anglers are taking note of a party leadership and president who have absolutely no idea what wild, public land means to the American sports- man.

Take, for example, the Forest Service's roadless rule. After countless town hall meetings and accepting a record 2.5 million public comments over a three-year period, 90 percent of which favored protection, the current presidential administration has gutted this popular and fiscally conservative administrative rule. Promoting the "strenuous life'' in the tradition of Roosevelt? Absolutely not. Ignoring direct democracy? No question.

Under the mantra of allowing "input" from the states, the current administration has given the management responsibilities of more than 58 million acres of our publicly owned and roadless heritage to the states for their retention. All Americans own these lands, not just the residents in which these lands are located.

The current $10 billion backlog of maintenance on Forest Service roads is fiscally irresponsible and an environmental nightmare. It is not conservative. In the current situation, building more roads at taxpayer expense is beyond clueless.

More roads equal more taxpayer dollars flushed down the drain and less acceptable habitat for America's wonderful public asset: fish and wildlife. As a result, we have less terrain to hunt and fish without hearing the buzzing of off-road vehicles and, quite literally, stealthy contributions to our already pathetically soft society, which can't get past seeing the natural world from beyond a computer monitor, television screen or the soft, padded seat of a motorized vehicle.

I don't know where all hunters and anglers are when it comes to weighing in on these direct frontal assaults on our natural heritage. It is quite obvious that the GOP doesn't know or care. The only thing I can say is that the cherished moment that I shared with my father three years ago in the alpine forest beneath the looming spire of Mount Thielsen will not be forgotten come November.

Mike Beagle is a Republican and chairman of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. He lives in the Rogue River basin in Southwestern Oregon.
 
Wap. , You shouldn't have to keep asking those kinda questions. First, if Kerry wins, all the people in all the politically appointed positions will have to submit their letter of resignation. That will solve a large part of the problem right off the bat. Then he'll appoint more environmentally friendly people to leadership positions in the Dept. of Ag and Dept. of Interior, etc. You figure it out from there. It's real basic politics and I'm surprised you'd even have to ask.
 
Originally posted by Ithaca 37:
Wap. , You shouldn't have to keep asking those kinda questions. First, if Kerry wins, all the people in all the politically appointed positions will have to submit their letter of resignation. That will solve a large part of the problem right off the bat. Then he'll appoint more environmentally friendly people to leadership positions in the Dept. of Ag and Dept. of Interior, etc. You figure it out from there. It's real basic politics and I'm surprised you'd even have to ask.
Really? Wow I'm gonna vote for Kerry than, he will solve all the worlds problems and everything will be fine! Lay off the Acid Hippy! What's it like in LALA LAND?
 
Ithaca,

Please realize you're dealing with a dude here thats not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I think WS is capable of rational thought, just not when on the booze.

Of course, you're right on as usual in the change of administration. Kerry personally may not do a whole lot, but who he appoints to committees, judicial appointments, and head up the various agencies will have an impact on hunting, fishing, and environmental issues. I'm positive the impacts will be much more positive for hunters and fishermen.

As to the article, that author brings up some key points. I think it says alot about the current administration that it will defy the roadless rule and the overwhelming (90%) support it received in 3 years worth of public comment periods. How much support does any administration need to see before they realize the will of the People? Their lack of regard for the wishes of their constituants will bite them in the end...
 
Originally posted by BuzzH:
Ithaca,

Please realize you're dealing with a dude here thats not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I think WS is capable of rational thought, just not when on the booze.

Of course, you're right on as usual in the change of administration. Kerry personally may not do a whole lot, but who he appoints to committees, judicial appointments, and head up the various agencies will have an impact on hunting, fishing, and environmental issues. I'm positive the impacts will be much more positive for hunters and fishermen.

As to the article, that author brings up some key points. I think it says alot about the current administration that it will defy the roadless rule and the overwhelming (90%) support it received in 3 years worth of public comment periods. How much support does any administration need to see before they realize the will of the People? Their lack of regard for the wishes of their constituants will bite them in the end...
Sorry to break it to both of ya, but I'm not drinking ,it's all Bowflex and tread Mill for the next 2 months to get ready for Elk Hunting. Kerry has a real strong history of helping Sportstmen! :rolleyes: All these guys are full of shit and you have to pick the lesser of two evils. Until I see anything Kerry has done that was a big benefit for Sportsman or is willing to do for them I doubt everything he says.
 
OK Wap., here's your chance to show how smart you are. "And how is Kerry going to solve all these problems?"

How is leaving Dubya in office going to solve the problems?

I'm starting to think you're nothing but a wise ass little punk, so let's see if you can post anything substantial and prove me wrong.
 
WS, if you arent on the booze, then you dont have much of an excuse for the lack of a rational thought process.

Ithaca, I hope you arent expecting any type of decent answer.
 
Originally posted by Ithaca 37:
OK Wap., here's your chance to show how smart you are. "And how is Kerry going to solve all these problems?"

How is leaving Dubya in office going to solve the problems?

I'm starting to think you're nothing but a wise ass little punk, so let's see if you can post anything substantial and prove me wrong.
You are just like Elkcummer, you don't pay attention and just run your mouth! Did I EVER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DUBYA BEING BETTER? NO! I asked you what Kerry would do if he was in Office that would solve all these problems we have. An yes I do agree we have a shitload of problems that need to be solved!
 
Originally posted by BuzzH:
WS, if you arent on the booze, then you dont have much of an excuse for the lack of a rational thought process.

Ithaca, I hope you arent expecting any type of decent answer.
Strange I was thinking the exact same thing of You, Cummer, and Idiotaca.
 
Originally posted by BuzzH:
Ithaca,....I rest my case.
Funny how you guys can never answer the question but seem to always be right and know everything. If I've ever said 1 f*****g thing good for Dubya I want to see you find it and re-post it!

[ 08-26-2004, 22:11: Message edited by: Delw ]
 
WS,

I think both Ithaca and I answered the question, too bad that in your drunken stooper your comprehension declines to that of a two-year old.

From the posts above to answer the question you asked about how Kerry being president would help hunters and fishermen:

Of course, you're right on as usual in the change of administration. Kerry personally may not do a whole lot, but who he appoints to committees, judicial appointments, and head up the various agencies will have an impact on hunting, fishing, and environmental issues. I'm positive the impacts will be much more positive for hunters and fishermen.

Ithaca said:

First, if Kerry wins, all the people in all the politically appointed positions will have to submit their letter of resignation. That will solve a large part of the problem right off the bat. Then he'll appoint more environmentally friendly people to leadership positions in the Dept. of Ag and Dept. of Interior, etc. You figure it out from there. It's real basic politics and I'm surprised you'd even have to ask.


What part of those dont you understand?


As to answering questions, you havent made any attempt to tell us all how another 4 years of Shrub will help hunters and fishermen...
 
Originally posted by BuzzH:
WS,

I think both Ithaca and I answered the question, too bad that in your drunken stooper your comprehension declines to that of a two-year old.

From the posts above to answer the question you asked about how Kerry being president would help hunters and fishermen:

Of course, you're right on as usual in the change of administration. Kerry personally may not do a whole lot, but who he appoints to committees, judicial appointments, and head up the various agencies will have an impact on hunting, fishing, and environmental issues. I'm positive the impacts will be much more positive for hunters and fishermen.

Ithaca said:

First, if Kerry wins, all the people in all the politically appointed positions will have to submit their letter of resignation. That will solve a large part of the problem right off the bat. Then he'll appoint more environmentally friendly people to leadership positions in the Dept. of Ag and Dept. of Interior, etc. You figure it out from there. It's real basic politics and I'm surprised you'd even have to ask.


What part of those dont you understand?


As to answering questions, you havent made any attempt to tell us all how another 4 years of Shrub will help hunters and fishermen...
You two didn't answer anything! You gave an Opinion of what you think will happen. Are both of you talking to Kerry and getting answers as to what would happen if he's elected? You are as full of SH*T as he is! And again for the tenth time I never said Dubya would do anything better, if you can find where I said that and post it, do it! I hope you are drunk and not this ignorant!
 
He isn't, but it worked for Klinton to expound on all of the ills he was going to fix.
So it should work for this Lib also....
So I have seen the question put before you already gunner...
How is Scarry Kerry going to fix the ills of the world....
Come up with some thing that can be believable, and maybe I could be swayed....
But then again, I don't think I will have to change my mind own what ever it is you won't come up with, you never answer the questions any way...
And speeking of questions....

How did I stab Moosie in the back?
 
Originally posted by ELKCHSR:
He isn't, but it worked for Klinton to expound on all of the ills he was going to fix.
So it should work for this Lib also....
So I have seen the question put before you already gunner...
How is Scarry Kerry going to fix the ills of the world....
Come up with some thing that can be believable, and maybe I could be swayed....
But then again, I don't think I will have to change my mind own what ever it is you won't come up with, you never answer the questions any way...
And speeking of questions....

How did I stab Moosie in the back?
ELKCHSR, they just run circles and don't answer nothing! It's a waste of time even talking to them! When you know everything like them you don't have to answer anything!
 
Originally posted by ELKCHSR:
He isn't, but it worked for Klinton to expound on all of the ills he was going to fix.
So it should work for this Lib also....
So I have seen the question put before you already gunner...
How is Scarry Kerry going to fix the ills of the world....
Come up with some thing that can be believable, and maybe I could be swayed....
But then again, I don't think I will have to change my mind own what ever it is you won't come up with, you never answer the questions any way...
And speeking of questions....

Can we get a Translator??? Anybody???
 
WS,

Go get yourself an education and/or have a third grader explain politics to you.

Kerry will not appoint people like Gale Norton, Kathleen Clark, etc. to head up Natural Resource and land management agencies. Shrub has made it his mission to only appoint those with direct ties to extractive industries. Thats why the roadless rule has been gutted, thats why NEPA is being ignored, etc. etc. etc.

All those things negatively impact YOUR public lands and YOUR hunting and fishing.

Its been my experience in the 17 years I've been involved with the FS, BLM, etc. that appointees under a democratic president are much more friendly to:

1. Listening to the public
2. Following environmental laws passed by both parties (ESA, NEPA, NFMA, etc.)
3. Demanding accountablity of land managers to Environmental laws, regulations, etc.
4. Letting science dictate policy instead of business interests.

Those are facts, and I have no doubt that Kerry will appoint much better people to the agencies that effect YOUR public lands and YOUR hunting and fishing.

Shrubs record sucks, and based on the fact he's done the absolute worse job on hunting, fishing, and environmental issues, I find it impossible to believe that Kerry can do anything but improve the situation. NO way could he make it worse.
 

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