Montana corner crossing (ish?)

[Nameless Range]

This seems to be sort of sloppy and separate compared to the Wyoming Case.

Broadwater County trial to raise corner crossing issue

Does a hunting without permission case test the issue of corner crossing in Montana? A jury trial will decide.

billingsgazette.com

 

[MThuntr]

sloppy is an understatement.

 

[phutch30]

If they have pictures of him walking around on actual ranch property, then he trespassed and corner crossing will be moot

 

[Straight Arrow]

If they have pictures of him walking around on actual ranch property, then he trespassed and corner crossing will be moot

Yes, from what I have read and learned so far, it seems his trespass case challenging "corner crossing" access issue may do more harm than good in trying to open that public access opportunity going forward.

 

[Elky Welky]

I'll caveat with the fact that again, I'm only representing myself and my own opinions here, not that of any organization, nor are my comments meant to be taken as legal opinions. Just the opinion of a guy on the internet.

That said: I would not be surprised in the slightest if the AG was specifically looking for a "sloppy" case to try to put a nail in corner crossing and raise it when it shouldn't be raised in the first place; and also support the longstanding argument that mapping apps are not allowable evidence to disprove trespassing. The legislature tried to do that this past session.

Everything detailed in the article is just alleged and has not been proved by a jury beyond a reasonable doubt, including allegations that their cameras captured him on private land. Remember: the position of landowners such as this is that even when someone is crossing on a perfect corner, they are on private land.

It also sounds like the ranch manager has a bone to pick with the public (in some ways, that distrust is valid, given the OK Corral incident on Block Management from a few years back).

The AG almost never gets involved in misdemeanor cases. Take that for what it is worth.

 

[Big Sky Guy]

Small world. This is my neighbors brother. I didn’t know anything about this until I saw the link on here. I will only say that there is A LOT more to this case than what the article says. Reading the article it seems open and shut trespass case, but when was the last time a simple trespass case like that went to jury trial?

Time will tell.

 

[RobG]

Perhaps our AG will handle it as incompetently as he did the Held vs State climate change case

 

[Wind Gypsy]

ccording to the affidavit, Fish, Wildlife & Parks warden Sgt. Justin Hawkaluk received a call on Oct. 3, 2021, from the then-manager of the G/T Ranch, Jeff Brozovich, who reported someone was “possibly trespassing and hunting on G/T Ranch property.”

Holy Crap, the ranch manager is Broz of LongRangeOnly (and LongRangeHunting and rokslide) forum fame.

 

[Elky Welky]

Holy Crap, the ranch manager is Broz of LongRangeOnly (and LongRangeHunting and rokslide) forum fame.

For those of us who aren't on those forums, can you elaborate?

 

[Wind Gypsy]

For those of us who aren't on those forums, can you elaborate?

He's a well known guy in the long range hunting community. Has contributed a lot to the shooting forums and created LongRangeOnly.com which i believe he is still the owner of. https://www.longrangeonly.com/

 

[Elky Welky]

Thanks

He's a well known guy in the long range hunting community. Has contributed a lot to the shooting forums and created LongRangeOnly.com which i believe he is still the owner of. https://www.longrangeonly.com/

Thanks! I didn't know if he was infamous for his personality on those forums or something like that.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Thanks

Thanks! I didn't know if he was infamous for his personality on those forums or something like that.

Nope, he's always come off as respectful to me. Not a shit stirrer or "loud" internet personality.

Edit: Interesting input from the 2014 shootout situation here: https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/townsend-elk-slaughter-ii.261566/page-7#post-2405306

 

[Elky Welky]

Nope, he's always come off as respectful to me. Not a shit stirrer or "loud" internet personality.

Good to know. Those that stir things up and get too loud on these forums are the worst

 

[2ski]

He's a well known guy in the long range hunting community. Has contributed a lot to the shooting forums and created LongRangeOnly.com which i believe he is still the owner of. https://www.longrangeonly.com/

I read that too and recognized who it was from Rokslide. Always a nice guy that coaches people on long range.

 

[2ski]

I'll caveat with the fact that again, I'm only representing myself and my own opinions here, not that of any organization, nor are my comments meant to be taken as legal opinions. Just the opinion of a guy on the internet.

That said: I would not be surprised in the slightest if the AG was specifically looking for a "sloppy" case to try to put a nail in corner crossing and raise it when it shouldn't be raised in the first place; and also support the longstanding argument that mapping apps are not allowable evidence to disprove trespassing. The legislature tried to do that this past session.

Everything detailed in the article is just alleged and has not been proved by a jury beyond a reasonable doubt, including allegations that their cameras captured him on private land. Remember: the position of landowners such as this is that even when someone is crossing on a perfect corner, they are on private land.

It also sounds like the ranch manager has a bone to pick with the public (in some ways, that distrust is valid, given the OK Corral incident on Block Management from a few years back).

The AG almost never gets involved in misdemeanor cases. Take that for what it is worth.

Yeah Austen doesn't take a leak without having a purpose behind it. Everything is a calculated reason. We need to get that guy out of here next election.

 

[Dakotakid]

I am pretty sure FWP funds a special AG prosecutor for fish and game cases. It was that way years ago.

 

[mtmuley]

Holy Crap, the ranch manager is Broz of LongRangeOnly (and LongRangeHunting and rokslide) forum fame.

Who cares? mtmuley

 

[2ski]

Who cares? mtmuley

I think what I took from the comment is that it's easy to demonize people on the "other side" when in fact they aren't evil people. People with a different perspective. But they can still be a good dude.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Who cares? mtmuley

I found it interesting that a person in a news story was someone that many of us may have interacted with over the years on various platforms, so apparently I “care”.

Thanks for your useful input though.

 

[Luke_with_a_lab]

Interesting timing for this to be brought to light by the AG. Right as the general boom stick season is about to start. Cant help but wonder if they are trying to discourage people