Bought a lee collet neck sizer yesterday for the WSM. I will report on if it works for me when i get a chance. The little i played with it last night i found out Like i did with my .270 i had to chuck up the mandrel in a drill and polish off .001 to get a snugger bullet seat. No big deal, and it even tells you in the instructions you may have to do this if you want a tighter fit. Both of the dies i had from them were factory sized as a real light press and i could actually push the bullet in further with my finger. The .001 polishing made them perfect IMO
Miller, say your sorry....
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Miller, as you requested here is my take on the Lee collet neck sizer for the WSM. So far did a full box of ammo. The runout is less out of the press than the full length sizing. Some may be because now I am using the RCBS seater instead of the Hornady, but not sure.
As far as bolt close, i had a few that were a little hard on the bolt close(he he, i said hard-on
) but not hard enough that it would cause concern for actual hunting ammo. So, I think this will be my method for doing fire formed brass and will only FLS when i use once fire brass the first time.
Let me know when the gauge shows up as I am interested to see what you are getting for runout in your loads.
The thing I like best about the Lee collet die is NO LUBE NEEDED! and that makes for cleaner fired cases as well.
As far as bolt close, i had a few that were a little hard on the bolt close(he he, i said hard-on
) but not hard enough that it would cause concern for actual hunting ammo. So, I think this will be my method for doing fire formed brass and will only FLS when i use once fire brass the first time.Let me know when the gauge shows up as I am interested to see what you are getting for runout in your loads.
The thing I like best about the Lee collet die is NO LUBE NEEDED! and that makes for cleaner fired cases as well.
snake river rufus
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I would like to meet just one honest guy that has really had trouble getting the wsm or the remington knock to feed. And that run out"problem",,, defies logic.
snake river rufus
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Knock to feed??
Defies logic?
Should read Knock the feed. Nobody but buzz and one other guy (who also hasn't tried one) are "hearing" that the short mags are finicky rifles. If you build a belted mag on a stock military 98 mauser, you're probably going to have trouble with ejecting cases. They need to be opened up for the larger dia. cases sometimes. The same would be true on a short mag. In neither example does it mean that the round is "bad", it means the rifle builder missed something.
The 'F' class and 1000yd shooters have been shooting a case with a 35' shoulder (6.5-284) for years with no complaints so why would the 35' shoulder on the wsm mags suddenly cause excessive run out? what is there physically that would even cause more run out?
Just my thinking (and from reading from others) on the steeper angle is more likely to get pushed back or collapse inward if not carefull when neck sizing. The less the angle the stonger the total shape will be. Bench rest shooters do not have as much trouble because without a doubt they use fire formed cases and neck size only. Fire forming itself will remove neck runout in a case.
My Kimber did not feed well. The new Sako feeds like a dream. The earlier Kimbers Montanas under around 10,000 serial number had loads of feed trouble. Mine was supposed to be out of that problem range but still feeds poorly. Another thing it does if I put a load in it with too much pressure the turd will not extract the case. Found this out this weekend. I worked up a load for the sako that had no pressure signs at all, and figured since the Kimber chamber was almost identical in case diameter, and exactly the same on the land distance that I would try it in that gun as well. Results were flatter primers, hard bolt lift, and 2 of the 3 cases that i shot stuck in the chamber. Kind of a surprise drastic difference in guns with almost identicle chambers but it was. The loads were not over max either. So much for the 98 action being so awsome for extracting, at least in Kimbers version.
But I'll be damned if the thing didn't shoot close to an inch group! (1.100) That was a surprise!
I shot/shoot the 7SAUM(1 rifle),7WSM(3 rifles),300WSM(2 rifles) amongst a few 284Win based chamberings (mainly (3) 25-284's and (1) 284) and a plethora of Ackley Improved-esque offerings in 22K-Hornet(5 rifles),223AI (7 rifles),22-250AI(4 rifles) 22CHeetah MK I(2 rifles),243AI(4 rifles),6mmRemAI(1 rifle),yada,yada,up to and including a brace of 375H&H AI's...if only for conversation.
You are amazingly full of shitt....................
You are amazingly full of shitt....................
The Hedgehog
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I think I'll come to Craig Alaska with 10 of my ignorant buddies with lever-action 30-30s and buy bear tags.
and your amazingly full of yourself. In other words, you have a big stick up your ass
noharleyyet
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....thanks Ovis, just what we needed....another Jose.
This one obviously isn't apprehensive about showing his face.
And I thought I was bad.schmalts,
I'm rather at ease speaking in regards to water under the bridge and the hardware associated.
You've reason to be troubled with those firsthand accountings...though I hope it doesn't slow down your spewing blather that is well off the mark.
Tell me again about minimal case taper,sharp shoulders and your inabilities with the rifle.
Laffin'....................
I'm rather at ease speaking in regards to water under the bridge and the hardware associated.
You've reason to be troubled with those firsthand accountings...though I hope it doesn't slow down your spewing blather that is well off the mark.
Tell me again about minimal case taper,sharp shoulders and your inabilities with the rifle.
Laffin'....................
Let's give schmalts some slack on the rope,by starting with average 7WSM Montana results at the 700yd line,in tough atmospheric conditions. I doubt she'll know what .5MOA is,but we'll HOPE.
Maybe she'll touch upon throat geometry and magbox confines and really go out on a limb?
Laffin'..................
Maybe she'll touch upon throat geometry and magbox confines and really go out on a limb?
Laffin'..................
schmalts,
I'm rather at ease speaking in regards to water under the bridge and the hardware associated.
You've reason to be troubled with those firsthand accountings...though I hope it doesn't slow down your spewing blather that is well off the mark.
Tell me again about minimal case taper,sharp shoulders and your inabilities with the rifle.
Laffin'....................
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Does anybody actually understand what he is saying, or for that matter care? I don't like to get into this stuff but wow. Maybe he will start coming after me now too.
I'm rather at ease speaking in regards to water under the bridge and the hardware associated.
You've reason to be troubled with those firsthand accountings...though I hope it doesn't slow down your spewing blather that is well off the mark.
Tell me again about minimal case taper,sharp shoulders and your inabilities with the rifle.
Laffin'....................
Reply With Quote
Does anybody actually understand what he is saying, or for that matter care? I don't like to get into this stuff but wow. Maybe he will start coming after me now too.
Dinkshooter
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He won't come after you, he is to busy taking pictures of himself up on top of the yearly family Christmas tree stump
noharleyyet
Well-known member
....annoying pseudo intellectual insecurity....a butch Pee Wee Herman
Calif. Hunter
Active member
Let's all thank Ovis for bringing him to our forum....
I can't believe I am posting this pic, it sure is funny, and add a mustache and we have our man.
