Maine vs. ATV's

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Looks like the ATV mentality stays consistant across the U.S....

Talk of Maine
By Jeff Clark

The ATV Menace
Rogue riders tearing up the Maine countryside are giving the rollicking four-wheelers a bad name.
Harlan Brown, of South Gardiner, always swore he would never post his 100 acres of field and woodland in Chelsea. "I never had a problem with other people enjoying it, hunting on it or hiking or whatever," he explains. Then three years ago he found an all-terrain vehicle (ATV) trail along a power line right-of-way that crosses his property. Then he found another trail that had been cut through his woods. Then he found parts of his land so rutted by ATVs he couldn't walk across it without tripping and falling.

"That's when I put up the No Trespassing signs," he says. "The ATVers came through anyway. So I dropped a couple of trees across the trail. They cut the trees up and pushed them aside. I put up a steel cable between two oak trees. They cut down one of the oaks. That's when it became a war for me." These days Brown has his property studded with cameras hooked up to motion sensors.

Harlan Brown is only one of the hundreds, and perhaps thousands of landowners in Maine who are fed up with the damage and danger posed by ATVs. "Last year I went up to the legislature to testify about an ATV bill and there were three or four people there," Brown recalls. "This year I went up and there were more than 200 people there -- so many they couldn't all get into the hearing room. This thing has just exploded."

ATVs have become the fastest growing -- and most controversial -- recreational pastime in Maine. ATV registrations have increased by 90 percent in the past five years to 55,660 in 2001, with perhaps as many as 10,000 more unregistered vehicles. Dealers say ATVs are outselling snowmobiles by two and three to one despite the state's weak economy. Maine has ninety ATV clubs and 2,200 miles of designated ATV trails. And the state has suddenly become a magnet for ATVers from all over New England.

The popularity of ATVs, though, has not come to Maine without a cost. Landowners across the state, outraged over the destruction caused by the machines, have posted thousands of acres of land, closed long-established snowmobile and hiking trails, and even set traps to catch trespassing ATVs. Safety experts gasp at the rapid increase in injuries and deaths among ATV users. Farmers fear ATVs could become the next vehicle for spreading plant diseases from one field to the next. And legislators are responding with a raft of bills aimed at tightening rules, increasing fees, and toughening enforcement.

Widespread ATV resentment could even trigger a resurgence of efforts to require a presumption that all private land is closed unless posted as open to the public -- a radical notion in Maine and a historic reversal of the age-old tradition of public access.

"People are angry to a point that I've never seen before," Scruggs adds. "The Number One landowner problem is ATVs."
 
"The Number One landowner problem is ATVs." They're at the top of the problem list for F&G Departments, Forest Service and BLM, too.

What is the Blue Ribbon Coalition doing to educate fat assed ATV riders about not pissing off the other 99% of the population? Zero!
 
...legislators are responding with a raft of bills aimed at tightening rules, increasing fees, and toughening enforcement.
Step in the right direction.

IT, you got a copy of those lists you're talking about or even a link, or you just flappin' your gums again? Have you talked with the BRC lately?
 
Ten Bears,
The BRC is a joke, they say they promote ethical riding but refuse to acknowledge that ATV's are part of the problem.

Officials plan crackdown on illegal off-road activity: City Creek area is focus of enforcement campaign
By John O'Connell - Journal Writer


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POCATELLO - It's become Pocatello's unofficial motocross racing headquarters. On a routine basis, dirt bikers drive around gates intended to keep them out - or enter through a number of other accesses they've created - and let the mud fly. What started as two paths the Bureau of Land Management designated for off-road vehicle use, open from May 15 through November 15 only, has evolved into an elaborate race track. Dirt bikers replace plastic jumps as fast as irritated neighbors can pull them out.

In the vicinity of the track, there's a patchwork of land owned by the BLM, Forest Service, Pocatello, Bannock County and the Idaho Department of Fish and Game. All of the property owners say illegal off-road vehicle use has damaged and eroded their land, some of which is federally designated as sensitive watershed.


They plan to start taking action, and they say off-road vehicle enthusiasts who break the rules should expect to see a lot more police enforcement.

According to city officials, what was once a water line easement on Pocatello property above West Clark and City Creek roads has been transformed by motorized vehicles into an eroded mess at the center of a web of new trails. Public Works Director Greg Lanning and Police Chief Ed Guthrie will discuss re-seeding eroded hillsides and "reclaiming that land" during a Thursday morning study session.

Guthrie said his officers will increase patrolling for illegal use or operating unlicensed, uninsured off-road vehicles on city streets at trail accesses.

"We're looking at some things this spring to gear up enforcement early to remind people to use it, don't abuse," Guthrie said, adding most people who recreate in the City Creek area follow the rules. "The snow is not even melted, and they've already been up there with their dirt bikes, and there's damage."

The city is also dealing with similar problems near Summit Drive, the east bench and the south end of the city, Guthrie said.

Last year, the property-owning entities met to discuss reviving an agreement to work together to maintain proper off-road use in the area. They plan to have a similar meeting this year.

"We're going to be up there enforcing these closures. This is not a legal use," said Blaine Newman, BLM outdoor recreation planner. "If we can cover four or five of the access points into these tracks, we'll probably catch some of these guys."

Councilman Harry Neuhardt said the problem is especially troublesome given the sensitive watershed designation - it took an act of Congress for the state to get an exemption to the rule to build the Pocatello Women's Correctional Center.


Although the city receives frequent complaints regarding off-road vehicle problems in the City Creek area, Neuhardt said a resident's e-mail prompted the city to place the issue on its Thursday study session agenda.

The resident, Jon Champlin, wrote: "I find it hard to believe that this much damage can be done for so many years and not be addressed. As a host to visitors on occasion, I am embarrassed at the shape of most of the surrounding hills. It is unfortunate that Pocatello has let City Creek Trail area degrade to such an extent."

Neuhardt said heightened police vigilance will also help officials take down transient camps in that area.

Officials with the Blue Ribbon Coalition, a locally based group that represents interests of off-road vehicle enthusiasts, agree people who drive off road need to follow the rules and shouldn't be driving where they aren't allowed.


"If it's a closed area, we definitely support them having patrols up there to enforce that situation," said Clark Collins, the coalition's executive director. "I hope as they're looking into the situation of keeping folks off of areas where they shouldn't be, they would be looking at ways to provide access to areas where folks can legitimately ride."

According to Blue Ribbon Coalition Public Lands Director Brian Hawthorne, in most cases, off-road vehicle enthusiasts will stick to established routes when they are made available

Think through that last statement for awhile and see if you can find anything that supports that conculsion. It isn't the minority riding illegal in Utah it is the majority in this case. So the answer to illegal riding is giving more access, |oo |oo |oo |oo

Nemont
 
Guthrie said his officers will increase patrolling for illegal use or operating unlicensed, uninsured off-road vehicles on city streets at trail accesses.

"We're looking at some things this spring to gear up enforcement early to remind people to use it, don't abuse," Guthrie said, adding most people who recreate in the City Creek area follow the rules. "The snow is not even melted, and they've already been up there with their dirt bikes, and there's damage."
I think they're on the right track.
nemont said:
It isn't the minority riding illegal in Utah it is the majority in this case.
Uh NEMONT, what does this article have to do with Utah? Pocatello is still in idaho. Okay we call that part of idaho northern utah, but it really is idaho. :) :D :D


3-7-05: Spring seems to be sprunging early this year. At least snow is melting at a fast pace in the mountains. Please stay off the roads and trails when they are muddy. While our machines are capable of traveling in the mud and muck, you may damage the road or trailbed and ruin it for the rest of us.

Some things you can do while waiting for the trails to dry out:
* Ride at the lower elevations.
* Run maintenance on your ATV: tune-up, oil change, etc.
* Get your spring cleaning done before spring so you can ride when it is nice (and not muddy!)
http://www.atvidaho.info/index.php
 
Ten Bears said:
"We're looking at some things this spring to gear up enforcement early to remind people to use it, don't abuse," Guthrie said, adding most people who recreate in the City Creek area follow the rules. "The snow is not even melted, and they've already been up there with their dirt bikes, and there's damage."

So apparently it's only the fatassed atv riders that can't seem to follow the rules. No new news there.

Oak
 
Oak said:
So apparently it's only the fatassed atv riders that can't seem to follow the rules. No new news there.

Oak
No, OAK, the comment was that MOST people that recreate there follow the rules. That would include all recreations.
 
Sheez, That area has been torn to chit for years and years, I grew up in that part of the country and used to have keggers in city creek hump on a fairly regular basis:D



We used to go four wheelin and dirt bike riding there and neve had any type of enforcement officer even come up there. I'm talking about the 80's and early ninties, but about the only thing that has changed is that a shit load of houses are going up on the benches.

I personally would rather have it like It was, we used to have quite a few deer and a few elk around there now we have POODLES.

Why is it all of a sudden a problem?
They have turned a blind eye for 30 years.
could it be because they want to build more houses further up?
 
Michaelr- It's not just now becoming a problem. It is becoming a larger problem that has to be dealt with. There is no time like the present to ban atvs!
 
I test drove a brand new power wagon in 1987 and burried it to the floor boards in that same mud hole:eek:

Want to see a pissed off car salesman.hump :evilgrin:

Notice that it is a 4x4 truck in the picture.

High school kids have used city creek as a place to have kegs, and parties for 50 years.

It has always been a place people went 4 wheeling, shooting, dirt bike and atv riding, and HUNTING. granted you had to go farther back in to get into some fairly good hunting, but alot of locals especially High school boys hunt there because it is close enough to be able to go after school or work.

I bagged a decent 4x4 mulie there my sophmore year of high school.

I guarantee you the reason that area is now a concern to the city fathers is because it is being developed. Areas where you used to be able to go sight in a rifle up there are now sub divisions. and they are spreading farther every year.
 
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