In other wolf news

[BucksnDucks]

FROM WYOFILE: Yellowstone: Wolf hunt altered behavior, damaged research

A recent spate of wolf killings just outside of Yellowstone National Park has altered fundamental aspects of the canines’ behavior, and threatened the foundations of one of the most storied

www.gillettenewsrecord.com

I'll just leave this here. Old news, but some gems in the commentary

 

[shb]

Gardiner naturalist and biologist Nathan Varley, who runs the Yellowstone Wolf Tracker guiding service, said skittish wolves are his biggest concern and a worst-case scenario for his business.

“Wolves that survive hunting events, they quickly learn that there’s survival value in avoiding humans,” Varley said. “And we’ve relied extensively on wolves that do not have that













Hold on, we'll get ya a whambulance.

 

[hossblur]

Maybe he can apply for funds to cover his losses like ranchers do

 

[rogerthat]

Maybe he can apply for funds to cover his losses like ranchers do

Heck, not just ranchers, cares act / ppp. It’s the American way. Heck you only need to think you might have losses or a company

 

[Sytes]

Hmmm...

“We have multiple females pregnant in at least two packs — Junction and Wapiti — that could be due to the mortality that we’ve experienced,” Smith said. “It’s broken apart the social structure, it’s messed with the hierarchy, and it’s actually produced more pups. Now this is a hypothesis, but this is what I would call an artificial stimulation of wolf reproductive capacity. By going in and killing them, you stimulate reproduction.”

So, in a nutshell, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming "80%" of wolf deaths are attributed to humans thus, wolf hunters and trappers have single handedly significantly increased the Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana wolf population - per the theorized basis in the article.

 

[hossblur]

Hmmm...

“We have multiple females pregnant in at least two packs — Junction and Wapiti — that could be due to the mortality that we’ve experienced,” Smith said. “It’s broken apart the social structure, it’s messed with the hierarchy, and it’s actually produced more pups. Now this is a hypothesis, but this is what I would call an artificial stimulation of wolf reproductive capacity. By going in and killing them, you stimulate reproduction.”

So, in a nutshell, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming "80%" of wolf deaths are attributed to humans thus, wolf hunters and trappers have single handedly significantly increased the Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana wolf population - per the theorized basis in the article.

Read same theory in regards to coyote expansion as well

 

[one ate E grain]

I feel cheated. The writer quoted excessively from Doug Smith and included no videos. Every new video from of Doug I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for him to tell one of his whoppers, cause every time he does he starts waving his hands all over the place. Playing poker with that guy would be like robbing the bank.

 

[Wildabeest]

Heck, not just ranchers, cares act / ppp. It’s the American way. Heck you only need to think you might have losses or a company

All Govt benefits are bad. Except the ones you personally qualify for.

 

[TheTone]

Didn’t they already document multiple females with pups within the same pack after reintroduction in the 90’s?

 

[MTTW]

Didn’t they already document multiple females with pups within the same pack after reintroduction in the 90’s?

They have found the same in Alaska. In at least one study in AK they found almost every female pregnant. The guys up in Yellowstone seem to think that they invented wolves in 1995.

 

[tjones]

Read same theory in regards to coyote expansion as well

And well documented. Proven many times-google is your friend.

 

[FI460]

Didn’t they already document multiple females with pups within the same pack after reintroduction in the 90’s?

It was covered extensively back in the 90s. American Wolf talks about one pack that ended up at like 28 wolves. I think it may have been the Mollie's.

It happens with wolves. I don’t believe it's the same as the compensative pup increase in coyotes though.

 

[MTTW]

I think we might have to wait and count the wolves, because pregnant females don't equal more wolves necessarily. In the study that I remember many packs still only raise one litter.
Doug Smith isn't likely to tell you that.

If it increases the wolf population then they should be all for it, but they are not all for it. Which leads me to believe what I believed before their last spin session.

 

[Carl 9.3x62]

So, if you hunt wolves it reduces their population, but if you hunt wolves it promotes additional reproduction which increases their population. We just can't win.

 

[SAJ-99]

Hmmm...

“We have multiple females pregnant in at least two packs — Junction and Wapiti — that could be due to the mortality that we’ve experienced,” Smith said. “It’s broken apart the social structure, it’s messed with the hierarchy, and it’s actually produced more pups. Now this is a hypothesis, but this is what I would call an artificial stimulation of wolf reproductive capacity. By going in and killing them, you stimulate reproduction.”

So, in a nutshell, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming "80%" of wolf deaths are attributed to humans thus, wolf hunters and trappers have single handedly significantly increased the Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana wolf population - per the theorized basis in the article.

Would that theory surprise you if true? I see it as unintended consequences. We have seen these types of effects often.

 

[Sytes]

I'll take, "truth" over theory any day. Might support my belief there are 14 million woofs in Montana... if true.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Wolves make people dumber than elk do.

 

[SAJ-99]

I'll take, "truth" over theory any day. Might support my belief there are 14 million woofs in Montana... if true.

But it is hard data..."The custom is reflected in 27 years of hard data: 85% of the time, park packs produce single litters.". The conclusion is not a robust scientific study over a two decades but it should make you curious.

These days people seem to want their "truth" more than the Truth.

 

[shb]

If I was a wolf I'd form a coalition with wild horses, and transgender female athletes.


We'd call it: "The Untouchables"


Or

Third Rail Crazy Cat Ladies



Or



This country has lost its +@$%$& mind.

 

[Sytes]

https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/home/library/pdfs/wildlife/research_pdfs/mcnay_2006_preliminary_results_of_parentage_analsis_using_microsatellite_markers.pdf

"Turnover among primary males may occur through natural mortality or by exploitation by humans. Low exploitation rates by hunting and trapping therefore may contribute to multiple litters if alpha males are removed and other pack members remain. This change in social structure could conceivably increase reproductive output of a wolf population sufficient to offset population declines from human exploitation."

I'd say Montana may need to add this conceivable possibility into their POM metrics, if it holds merit to adjust #'s.