Idaho Fish & Game Meeting

[Muledeer4me]

[Fish and Game holding open house meetings
Changes to bear season, ATV use being examined


"Get an early peek at proposed big-game season changes today in the first of a series of open house meetings held by the Idaho Department of Fish and Game.
The open house format allows people to come and go during a three-hour period and visit with F&G personnel about any topic related to big-game seasons.

Open houses will be from 4 to 7 p.m. on the following dates:

• Boise: Today, Fish and Game Headquarters, 600 S. Walnut St.

• Mountain Home: Thursday, Mountain Home Bingo Parlor, 3285 Airbase Road.

• McCall: Tuesday, Fish and Game office, 555 Deinhard Drive.

• Nampa: Tuesday, Fish and Game regional office, 3101 S. Powerline Road.

Topping the list of proposals is one that would limit ATV use in some hunting areas.

“The use of ATVs for hunting has been a contentious issue for years now,” F&G regional supervisor Al Van Vooren said. “Some hunters would like to see areas designated such that off-road ATV use is restricted to game retrieval only. We have enough real estate here in Southwest Idaho that we can offer that kind of experience, and we´d like to hear from the public regarding how much and what areas should be managed this way.”

In addition to several F&G-sponsored proposals, the department has been requested by outside interests to gather public input on two other issues.

One is a suggestion to add July and August to the black bear hunting season in the Selway and Middle Fork elk zones.

The other would establish a special antlerless elk season for traditional archery equipment users during an existing muzzleloader season in Unit 39, which includes most of the Boise River Drainage.

F&G also is considering easing regulations on white-tailed deer hunting in the Clearwater Region.

Written comments collected from open house attendees will be summarized and presented to the F&G commission for review and consideration. The commission will take final action on these and other big-game issues from across the state at its March 13 meeting in Boise."

For more information, call F&G´s Nampa office at 465-8465 or the McCall office at (208) 634-8137. ]

 

[Ithaca 37]

What have I been tellin' ya?

"“Some hunters would like to see areas designated such that off-road ATV use is restricted to game retrieval only. We have enough real estate here in Southwest Idaho that we can offer that kind of experience, and we´d like to hear from the public regarding how much and what areas should be managed this way.”"

More restrictions! How about limiting hours of ATV use to 11AM 'til 2PM? That's another great idea!

The ATV crowd brought this on their own fat asses!

 

[Oak]

One plan that has worked well in parts of the Routt NF here in CO is that they close all trails during hunting season that are not open to normal motorized vehicle traffic. Those trails are open during the off season, but during hunting season, if you can't get there in a truck, you have to walk or go horseback. Does that sound like a workable plan for the ATV riders here?

Oak

 

[Ten Bears]

ITHACA, that suggestion came from ATV riders. They are looking for a medium between closures and outright riding during hunting season. Many of the riders don't ride to hunt, but would like the opportunity to use the ATV to pack game. Sorry to rain on your parade. I have heard the 11am - 2pm portion added to this, as well adding the 8pm - 10 pm for packing game.

Like I said this idea has been passing around through the riders for sometime (up here anyways). But then there is the problem, what do you do with the guy that is out after 2 pm because he couldn't get his game loaded and out in time.

I know what you'd do, bitch but not report any wrong doing.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 02-12-2003 16:09: Message edited by: Ten Bears ]</font>

 

[Ithaca 37]

Well, I went to the open house and gave them an earfull!

While writing some comments for the written comment option I was sitting next to some character that was about 5' 9" and musta weighed 275 lbs.

I said "What do you think about this ATV proposal?"

He said, "I'm against it. I like to ride to the top and walk the ridges. When you're my age you gotta have every advantage you can."

I said "How old are ya?"

He replied, "Forty two." !!!

Typical fat assed ATV rider. If he'd lose about a hundred pounds he might be able to walk!

 

[Muledeer4me]

"Well, I went to the open house and gave them an earfull! While writing some comments for the written comment option "

WOW more stuff to put in accomplishment book [Ithaca's big boy book of stuff to use to pump up my ego ]LOL

Nice going Ithaca, you can't even go to a meeting without calling stranges name's.
You are a man to be looked up to !!!!

 

[Ithaca 37]

I was hoping I'd see you there. The ATV crowd was real sparse. You ATV riders are nailing your coffin shut. Thank you for being so self destructive!

It was a wonderful opportunity to stick it to the fat assed ATV riders again. Nice of you to post the info about the open house.

PS, What's a "stranges"?

How's that wolf the gummint crammed up your ass?

 

[Lostagain]

well IT, if the Atv ever really got organized, which the sportsmen never will(always bitching about what someone else should do) then they would be able to dictate the policies. The atv crowd also has some heavy weight help===honda, suzuki, yahama, AC.
Who is helping out the groundpounders? PETA, seirra club, Earth!1st, ...
You'd better watch out who is helping you close the forests, you might be next on your "friends" list.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Actually, the ATV crowd is the biggest bunch that's helping close the Forests. It's their self destructive behavior that's causing them all the problems and getting the other groups involved.

 

[Ten Bears]

IT, did you find out anymore information about your victim? Was the overweight ATV rider disabled? Did you ask? Is he the holder of one of those disabled hunter permits? Did You ask, or were you your smug self? Did you have the nerve to confront the man face to face about his slotheful ways, or did you keep that all inside until you were a safe distance away?

How many people showed up for the meeting? We (up north) generally have about 1/3 of the states participation in these kind of meetings.

Your such a loser.

You wont collect the information, or report a violator. Yet, you feel the courage to protest. What part of, if it's already illegal, you can't make it anymore illegal, is so hard for you to grasp?

I'll be at the meeting up here when it happens, maybe I'll go to a couple to gage public emotions in the area.

 

[Ithaca 37]

"You wont collect the information, or report a violator."

Can you prove that?

Have a good time at the meeting.

The guy wasn't disabled. Just fat and lazy (and I guess he thought he was real old).

 

[Ten Bears]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> posted 02-13-2003 18:11
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"You wont collect the information, or report a violator."

Can you prove that?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm just going by your own statements you made last fall.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> The guy wasn't disabled. Just fat and lazy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said. Did you ask, or was that your ASSumption?

I have an Uncle that is "fat" he has Late Onset Diabetes (common in Native American Males) and a heart condition that limits his level of physical exertion at the gym, yet he goes to the gym and works out everyday (rides a bike, walks a treadmill, and lifts weights on the weight machines). He also has bad knees from weighing 345 pounds. He eats mostly salads, raw vegatables,rice and beans, but can't lose weight because of his medical condition. He is disabled (oh ya, a skidder rolled over him logging too). My Uncle is in his late fifties, and some days moves like he is in his 90's (I have a couple of uncle that are just a few years older then I am).

So I ask you again. Did you ask the man if he was disabled, or did you just make that ASSessment yourself?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 02-14-2003 08:58: Message edited by: Ten Bears ]</font>

 

[Ithaca 37]

No I didn't ask if he was disabled. He said during our converstaion that there was nothing wrong with him except he was getting old (42!). I took that to mean he wasn't disabled.

Ten, you can get as picky about this as you want. The fact remains that ATV use is facing more restrictions in every state due to the abuses by ATV riders. Exactly what many of us have been predicting.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 02-14-2003 16:46: Message edited by: Ithaca 37 ]</font>

 

[BuzzH]

So ten bears, what you're telling us is because your fat, vegetable eating, diabetic, no-excercise uncle cant get around on foot, we should open up ATV riding to everybody, anywhere an ATV will go, to suit his "disability"?

BS, if your uncle cant cut it, stay on the roads or stay home.

 

[Muledeer4me]

LOL Ten Bears,you know Ithaca wouldnt say it to anyone's face.
Post by post the REAL ITHACA come's out.
Is there any segment of the population left that he hasnt called name's.LOL


I have no fear of restriction's being placed on ATVs.
If I did do you think I would of posted the Fish & Game Meeting time?
My only fear is of little weasly males like yourself Ithaca.The treehugger,gronala crunching one's.The one's that know all ,see all,have done all .

The one's that must of had a horrable childhood and learned to try to pump thereself up by putting other's down.
The funnest part is how you on one hand try to tell us what a good person you are ,then turn around and post how stupid,fat and lazy everyone else is.
How many face's do you have ? LMAO
About that meeting.
Are you sure I wasnt there? Did you see Steve or anyone of our friends at that meeting? How about our son?
Are you telling us you stayed the whole time?
Did You looked through all the responses?

Maybe check for name's?
Sound's kinda like you have a bigger problem then we all thought LOL

 

[Ten Bears]

BUZZ, reread my post, I think you missed the part about the gym. No never mind I'll bring it down here.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> he goes to the gym and works out everyday (rides a bike, walks a treadmill, and lifts weights on the weight machines). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does that sound like no-exercise to you? It doesn't to me.
In the logging accident (do you live in a wood framed home BUZZ?) he lost a portion (capacity use) of his left lung, and sight in his left eye.
BUZZ, you must have also missed the earlier post the involved the question about the hunting from a motor vehicle permit (you really need to stay on the ball here). I never said anything about:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> we should open up ATV riding to everybody, anywhere an ATV will go, to suit his "disability".... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Get a grip, your out of context again.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> BS, if your uncle cant cut it, stay on the roads or stay home. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks BUZZ, I hope you should never befall any such unfortunate accidents that you should be left out of recreational opportunities, by people such as yourself.

BTW, he hunts near roads, has help packing his game out, and rides an ATV when he feels like it. He wishes you well in your endevours as well.

How's that compensatory wallet anyways?

IT, <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Exactly what many of us have been predicting <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Is it really many have been predicting, or a few have been preaching?

 

[BuzzH]

I'll tell you one thing Ten bears, I wont be whining and bitching about any disability I may have. I also wont be looking for sympathy or special treatment from someone like you or anyone else.

I dont believe its right to open up areas to ATV's to everyone, to suit a few truly disabled people. Its BS, through and through. I'll also tell you that all the able-bodied ATV slugs use the "what if your crippled or old" argument to justify THEIR use of them. They couldnt really give a tinkers damn about crippled or old people...all they care about is making things easier for themselves and their "right" to ride ATV's roughshod over half the country.

The only right I'll grant them is the right to sing the blues when their regulated the hell out of hunting altogether, which is right where they're heading at "ATV" speed.

Oh, and before you nominate me for humanitarian of the year, I wouldnt be against folks like your Uncle using an ATV if the rest of the lazy bastards would not be allowed to. The trouble is for every legitimate use, there's 1000 who are just plain freaking lazy.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Ten, Please tell your uncle to try burning more calories than he consumes and see if that works. Most scientists think it's a medical impossibility not to lose weight if a person consumes less calories than they use. (I'm just trying to be helpfull)

 

[Ten Bears]

My uncle is being treated by a dietition, and works out with a physical therapist / trainer. He is on a high fiber "maintenance" diet because of his therapy activity, and as a diabetic has a low carb (sugar) intake. Unfortunately any foods he consumes seems to be stored as a fat reserve first then used (I'm not a dr., and I don't know how all this works).

BUZZ, the man wishes you the best, and you dump on him. How sorry is that? I understand that you are out for your own gratification, and you are so full of yourself that you would cut off your nose to spite your face. Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes/boots, you may be only too glad to get back into your own.

I'm not saying there aren't lazy slobs out there. I'm saying that there are legitimate reasons for some people to use ATV's. You just can't see past the slobs.

 

[BuzzH]

Like I said, its because the slobs outnumber the legitimate by at least 1000-1.