Hunting Mexicans

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House Republicans finally found a solution to America's illegal immigrant problem: bounty hunters. As part of a bill to ban states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, Rep. Pete Sessions (news, bio, voting record) inserted an amendment less than 24 hours before the vote establishing ten state-sponsored bounty hunter centers. Though bounty hunters are currently legal--more than 3,900 operate in Sessions' home state of Texas--the new plan allows bail bondsmen to nab suspected illegals even before a final deportation order has been issued.

The plan also evokes a number of uncomfortable precedents, including the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850. Part of the Compromise of 1850, the law allowed authorities to track down runaway slaves in any region of the country, including free states. Any person who failed to cooperate with the slave-hunters or assisted the slaves drew a $1,000 fine. As a result, 20,000 blacks fled to Canada via the underground railroad. Fourteen years later, after countless protests, Congress repealed the law.

"It illustrates the extremism of the House," Jeanne Butterfield of the American Immigration Lawyers Association said of the Slave law's 21st century counterpart. "We have law enforcement officers to enforce the law, not vigilantes," added Rep. Zoe Lofgren. (Global factoid: a recent row emerged between the governments of Colombia and Venezuela when bounty hunters snatched a Columbian rebel off the streets of Caracas.)

The bounty hunter provision also exhibits Pete Sessions' hard-right world-view and proclivity for making questionable comments in unquestionably bad taste. In a debate last year with Rep. Martin Frost, Sessions called September 11 a "home game" and Iraq the "away game." In another debate, when asked to comment on the gap between rich and poor, Sessions replied, "This is the only country in the world where the poor have color televisions." Local residents took special umbrage last April when Sessions named a post office in an African-American section of Dallas after the white wife of a political donor who didn't even live in the area. The crass insensitivity may have been due to the loss of Sessions' communication director, who was convicted for defrauding a fellow Representative last May.

To this day, Sessions still doesn't reside in his new Congressional district. Maybe a bounty hunter should come and move him.
 
Thanks for the post Elkchsr...This is interesting...first i have heard about it....Its true there is alot of support to enforce our immigration laws in the house of rep.....but it gets weaker as it goes up the ladder [senate/white house]..... This country is going to see more and more grass roots and even radical groups forming to FORCE our government to ENFORCE current immigration laws... The dickheads in government like John McCain want to use the excuce that our immigration system and our borders are "BROKEN" when that is just a big lie! all they the feds have to do is enforce current immigration and border laws.... the republican party is in danger of being split on this issue alone.
 
The thing with politicians regarding this matter is this: they don't see them as illegals, they see them as future constituents, this while they are attempting to appease a rapidly growing number of naturalized immigrants who already form a powerful constituency. I know I'm preaching to the choir with you Arizona guys because both our states are feeling the pinch from it. California too, but they don't seem to mind passing everything on to their state (and federal) taxpayers.
The media will put their own liberal spin on it.
 
I understand what you're saying q1...just about any comment regarding the influx of illegals can be portrayed as prejudicial in today's 'politically correct' society. Not much room for neutrality either.
 
A lot of the problem with California is that the Republicans stay too far to the right (anti-abortion, etc.) so that the liberals keep getting elected. Take Arnold, for an example of a "liberal" Republican - pro-choice, for "reasonable" gun control, etc. He gets elected. Meanwhile, the Republicans keep nominating ultra-conservatives who cannot win. The middle of the road is left wide open here.

There is a tremendous anti-illegal alien movement here, since we taxpayers get raped by them and do not get back anywhere near the amount of Federal funds that we generate through taxes, yet are mandated to spend $$ on the illegals for welfare, schooling, etc by Federal regs and law.

After all, Prop 187 here was one of the first initiatives passed by the voters here to limit the "rights" of illegal immigrants. Yet the Supreme Court overturned it. :rolleyes:
 
It seems to me illegal immigration is simply a question of supply and demand. I know I'm over simplifying it, but as long as their is a demand for illegal immigrants they will always exist. I believe the middle ground is simply enforcing the current laws. You can make a thousand new laws "English Only", Bounty hunters, birth certificate for a drivers license and voting, etc. etc. These laws are simply a band aid on a broken leg. Until the job demand and social programs for illegals is diminished there will always be a supply of illegal immigrants. It is improbable that the border with Mexico will ever be "shut off" enough to even slow illegal immigration. Business and Social programs can be controlled because that part is supposed to have the correct documention on each employee/ recipient already.
 
Good point CH...certainly didn't mean to infer California taxpayer apathy...on the contrary, and I concur with your take on the political undercurrent in your state.
 
Hey Matt.. do you think the money we have spent in Irag would have shut down the border? How about 1/2 of the military we have over there? would that have shut it down?.......Maybe I.D. theft is supply and demand...maybe all crime is supply and demand.
 
You ar right Matt,t is a supply and demand. Employers and the Feds are both to blame. The Feds started rquiring the I9 form to be filled out which created a lot of jobs in the govt. and perhaps it was overwelming to them when this started, but they do a piss poor job of doing anything about it. An employer is required to have this filled out to help protect against hiring an illeagal. An employer can also call to verify if the SS# given is legit. It is just easier not to call and hire who they can for the lowest wage. When a Mex can come to the states and make in three months what it would take them 5-10 years in Mex to make, you can hardly blame them for crossing the border. You can only blame the Fedsfor not doing thir job and employers for hiring them. And this is not only Bush to blame, it has been going on for a very long time. If you had a business and had the choice to hire someone for $20 hr or someone for $10 hr, which would you do? Right or wrong, the first priorty of having a business is making money. Supply and demand, and bounty hunters are not going to end it, nor is some volunteer army of civilians.
 
Maybe after Iraq is done, then we should start setting up military camps along the border, keep them in practice so to say. ;)
 
EH, do you really believe illegals are paying into Social Security? As a legitimate contractor who has to be competitive with those who use undocumented labor, I'm doubtful any fringes are paid on their behalf. In the context of 'illegal', how could it be?
 
Elkhunter said:
The illeagals also put in a hell of a lot of money into the failing SS System and they will never collect from it.



Sorry but WRONG... We the [U.S.A.] are in the process of building Soc. Security offices in Mexico.... If you ever get down to the border check out the post office in Douglas/Nogalas/Naco/Yuma etc.
 
Illegals usually get fake ID using a dead person's SS# and the employer pays in for that number. I bet it generates a significant number of dollars. How can an office for SS in Mexico impact them if they get phony or dead people's numbers? Sounds like they are getting ready for the big amnesty plans from both parties to me.
 
Ringer- Isn't the amnesty program being promoted basically by the GWB. I believe the good Republican McCain is behind it also.

Personally, I am against the Republicans on this one.
 
Well Matt- you got company there. I am pissed that Dubya and every other republican other than those from border states are pushing this. Seems like the dems do the same. Just ignoring the real problem for votes is plain wrong. I know very good people who work hard and contribute that have come here illegally but when the border states look like a trash dump and the wilderness areas are beaten to a pulp never to recover it makes me sick. We have also had hunters murdered in their camps and the drug smugglers are thick. :MAD
 
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