Thanks everyone. Two of you mentioned where you are or hunt and I hunt in those places too. I have a good friend with 40 acres in Bucks county and my hunting buddy just bought 17 acres in New Egypt nj that I scouted last week it's so thick I can't even walk through it must be 50 or more deer living in there we saw 2 real nice bucks the red already. I live and hunt mostly on the Poconos