BradA
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I seen that and will be there at the breakfast to hopefully but doubtfully win a desert sheep hunt but I was not thrilled to see he was going to be the guest speaker.
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BradA
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I actually won’t put money on that raffle just because he is going to be a part of it.
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I didn't see it posted, below is the department response to the UL proposal:
Department Response: The department appreciates the proposed amendment’s attempt to address sheep management and harvest concerns. However, the commission does not have the authority to direct the department to use a drawing versus an over-the-counter purchase option. See § 87-2-113, MCA. Instead, it is the department’s authority to determine when a drawing for any license opportunity is necessary. Additionally, the commission does not have authority to prohibit a member of the public from obtaining a license authorized by the legislature – as that authority rests with the legislature. In § 87-2-702(1), MCA, the law states that any person who kills a game animal (except elk, deer, or antelope), cannot acquire a special license during that same license year. Moreover, any successful sheep hunter must wait seven years before obtaining another sheep license – whether limited or unlimited. See § 87-2-702(4), MCA. Therefore, the department is concerned that given the legislature’s specificity on the issuance of special licenses, and time periods for ineligibility – the commission may not create a regulation restricting certain individuals from obtaining a sheep license. The commission does have authority to create a bonus point system. See § 87-2-117, MCA. Therefore, it is the commission’s purview to determine how the bonus point system for any species should be implemented. Given these different authorities, the commission has two options related to how bonus points are administered: 1) Drawing The first option is to require an applicant in the unlimited sheep draw to automatically use any accumulated bonus points in the drawing. Bonus points could be purchased at the time of application or between July 1st and September 30th. Applicants acquiring unlimited licenses through the drawing have their bonus points reduced to zero. Drawing applicants would not be eligible to purchase an unlimited sheep license over the counter, as this option would not be available. 2) Over the Counter / Point of Sale The second option is to offer unlimited bighorn sheep licenses to the public through an over-the counter/point of sale purchase. Individuals that purchased licenses over the counter would also have the ability to purchase a bonus point later in the year, so their bonus point balance would not change among years when an unlimited license was purchased over the counter. The commission could direct the department to have all individuals use any accumulated sheep bonus points upon purchase of the license. Purchasers of the over-the-counter license would not be eligible to apply for an unlimited sheep license via drawing during the same year. The two options available to the commission to allocate hunting opportunity within unlimited license quotas is entirely social in nature and would have no adverse effects on bighorn sheep populations within these hunting districts. Summary: The commission could direct the department to automatically use any bonus point when a person purchases an unlimited sheep license. However, § 87-2-117(6), MCA, already requires the department to delete an individual’s bonus points when the person “obtains the license.” Therefore, the commission could request the department to only use an over-the-counter/point of sale mechanism to simplify how bonus points are administered and removed. Requiring the department to forfeit a person’s bonus points when they simply apply for a license would violate § 87-2-117(6), MCA.
Department Response: The department appreciates the proposed amendment’s attempt to address sheep management and harvest concerns. However, the commission does not have the authority to direct the department to use a drawing versus an over-the-counter purchase option. See § 87-2-113, MCA. Instead, it is the department’s authority to determine when a drawing for any license opportunity is necessary. Additionally, the commission does not have authority to prohibit a member of the public from obtaining a license authorized by the legislature – as that authority rests with the legislature. In § 87-2-702(1), MCA, the law states that any person who kills a game animal (except elk, deer, or antelope), cannot acquire a special license during that same license year. Moreover, any successful sheep hunter must wait seven years before obtaining another sheep license – whether limited or unlimited. See § 87-2-702(4), MCA. Therefore, the department is concerned that given the legislature’s specificity on the issuance of special licenses, and time periods for ineligibility – the commission may not create a regulation restricting certain individuals from obtaining a sheep license. The commission does have authority to create a bonus point system. See § 87-2-117, MCA. Therefore, it is the commission’s purview to determine how the bonus point system for any species should be implemented. Given these different authorities, the commission has two options related to how bonus points are administered: 1) Drawing The first option is to require an applicant in the unlimited sheep draw to automatically use any accumulated bonus points in the drawing. Bonus points could be purchased at the time of application or between July 1st and September 30th. Applicants acquiring unlimited licenses through the drawing have their bonus points reduced to zero. Drawing applicants would not be eligible to purchase an unlimited sheep license over the counter, as this option would not be available. 2) Over the Counter / Point of Sale The second option is to offer unlimited bighorn sheep licenses to the public through an over-the counter/point of sale purchase. Individuals that purchased licenses over the counter would also have the ability to purchase a bonus point later in the year, so their bonus point balance would not change among years when an unlimited license was purchased over the counter. The commission could direct the department to have all individuals use any accumulated sheep bonus points upon purchase of the license. Purchasers of the over-the-counter license would not be eligible to apply for an unlimited sheep license via drawing during the same year. The two options available to the commission to allocate hunting opportunity within unlimited license quotas is entirely social in nature and would have no adverse effects on bighorn sheep populations within these hunting districts. Summary: The commission could direct the department to automatically use any bonus point when a person purchases an unlimited sheep license. However, § 87-2-117(6), MCA, already requires the department to delete an individual’s bonus points when the person “obtains the license.” Therefore, the commission could request the department to only use an over-the-counter/point of sale mechanism to simplify how bonus points are administered and removed. Requiring the department to forfeit a person’s bonus points when they simply apply for a license would violate § 87-2-117(6), MCA.
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I thought I might share my ram with the group.
21 days and 186 miles spent in the unit this fall.
Connected on the ram solo in November.
I was on the ram the previous day, as he made his way down a steep ridge line and into the timber.
With the rifle set up on a tripod, I waited 6 hours for him to make a move, which he never did.
The next day I found that he had made his way up the next mountain without coming
in to view. At 10,000 ft. I caught up to him on a windswept slope. 194 yard shot frontal shot as he stood
to look at the movement as I crawled up to a low rise beneath him.
Was able to get him sealed within the time period and then made a trip back in for the second load.
Snow conditions were fairly difficult and I used Vert snowshoes nearly the entire time. These are non articulating climbing tools
that we use for climbing ski/snowboard lines.
6 1/2 years old with 15" bases.
The Dall was also a walk-in, solo hunt from this August in AK. (9 y/o, 40 1/2"x13 1/2, B&C Green 165)
21 days and 186 miles spent in the unit this fall.
Connected on the ram solo in November.
I was on the ram the previous day, as he made his way down a steep ridge line and into the timber.
With the rifle set up on a tripod, I waited 6 hours for him to make a move, which he never did.
The next day I found that he had made his way up the next mountain without coming
in to view. At 10,000 ft. I caught up to him on a windswept slope. 194 yard shot frontal shot as he stood
to look at the movement as I crawled up to a low rise beneath him.
Was able to get him sealed within the time period and then made a trip back in for the second load.
Snow conditions were fairly difficult and I used Vert snowshoes nearly the entire time. These are non articulating climbing tools
that we use for climbing ski/snowboard lines.
6 1/2 years old with 15" bases.
The Dall was also a walk-in, solo hunt from this August in AK. (9 y/o, 40 1/2"x13 1/2, B&C Green 165)
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Absolutely amazing wherewithal to make 186 miles happen. Glad to see someone put in the effort met with reward. I hope to make it one day.
geetar
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Congrats on both rams. What a year you had!
B_R_AK
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Most definitely. I was a little shocked when I walked up to the Bighorn, wondering what I had gotten myself into. I’ve taken 6 Dall Sheep, from 9-12 years old and none were as big as this guy. The Dall from this season was pretty good sized though, as pictured.
Honestly I was looking for something older, 8+. Even when I had this guy in my scope I was ready to let him walk and gave him 30 seconds to do that, as he was staring me down. The internal dialogue I was having was conflicted. In the end I was confident that he was legal and did make the decision to pull the trigger. I’m very happy with him and thankful for how this sheep season came to an end.
7 years from now I’ll certainly hold out for an older ram, if this great opportunity is still available.
Do you mind dropping the details on that sheep rifle set up? It seems like you have it dialed in, to say the least
Bambistew
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186 miles in 21 days? Superman stuff.
Nice rams!
Nice rams!
B_R_AK
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Thank you.
2 trips down there. One in September with a couple friends. This was mostly nice weather and really enjoyable. Did not see a single ram though. It felt more like a scouting trip with lots of miles and great fishing.. though I took a stupid Tenkara rod that kept breaking. Wont make that mistake again. The second was solo in November. Less miles overall, but a way more challenging and serious hunt due to the cold and snowy conditions. I definitely took some risks in high consequence terrain.
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Here is the build thread for this particular gun on Rokslide.
The gun was in its 6.5 CM configuration, shooting G9 Defense 113 Long Range Hunter ammuntion for the Bighorn, though now it is a 6 CM.
All of my Dall Sheep have been with a Barrett Fieldcraft in 6.5 CM and Barnes 127 LRX, with the exception of this years Dall, which was also with the G9 Defense ammo. It is a monolithic brass projectile that shears off petals for a wide permanent wound cavity while still having great penetration.
Help me build a sheep rifle!
***Updated as I gather more info on various components *** Alright guys, My wife has given the go ahead to build a new rifle! I’ve been using a Fieldcraft 6.5 CM, quite effectively, but want something new. Here is what I’m thinking so far. Feel free to critique or post your experiences with...
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Congratulations! A half slam in one year that’s impressive. What’s next?
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A biological question about the younger harvests, seems like it could hurt the genetics in the area like antler point restrictions have. Removing the quicker growing horns / antlers genetics from the herds. But with the lower harvest number in the unlimited's it might not have a drastic effect. BTW I think if myself or anyone else shoot's an illegal animal you should be done hunting that species for life in that State, Influencers included & made example of.
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Probably walking on water
mtnkid85
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Like you said the quotas ensure we aren't taking enough animals to have population level impacts, even if they're both 41/2 year olds. I certainly cant say for sure what the difference between a legal 41/2 yo and a sub legal 41/2yo, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the mothers body fat and fitness when he was in the womb and not so much who his actual parents where.
Bought another google bot tag same unit for this year. Last year season closed quickly but stuck to my plan, even with the extreme terrain. Took a few days after the season ended & have a new plan / destination for this year. Was planning on solid 10 day effort or season closure for 5 years. This year might have to cut it down to a week because I happened to get a NM Oryx "off-range" tag. Snow is melting fast in our mountains, soon I'll be able to start getting some rucking w/elevation. Until then trying to stay consistent with weights & mnt bike. Good hunting to all this year.
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Good luck on that oryx tag. I hear that’s a pretty tough hunt as well
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