Dubya's "Coalition of the Willing" in Confusion...
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feclnogn
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Maybe this just goes to prove why this country will have to stand alone or with very few allies in this fight. It seems to me that we have a bunch of countries who have abandoned us because there citizens are spineless pussies who don't have the freedoms we enjoy, or who have forgoten who gave them freedom or in the case of some of the European countries are just plain corrupt and in bed with Sadam Hussien.
Maybe Bush should remind the Phillipinos about what the Japanese did to them, who freed them from that occupation, and who in the future will defend them against the jihadist movement inside their own country. I say we should pull out our special forces who are training their soldiers. Lets see how they manage.
Does this make you happy gunner?? Everytime we loose these guys it makes it harder for us. Maybe this will mean some young marine will be killed cuz he has to take up the slack of some pussy ass little country!!
Maybe you should go to DU and celebrate with the Kerry folks.
Maybe Bush should remind the Phillipinos about what the Japanese did to them, who freed them from that occupation, and who in the future will defend them against the jihadist movement inside their own country. I say we should pull out our special forces who are training their soldiers. Lets see how they manage.
Does this make you happy gunner?? Everytime we loose these guys it makes it harder for us. Maybe this will mean some young marine will be killed cuz he has to take up the slack of some pussy ass little country!!
Maybe you should go to DU and celebrate with the Kerry folks.
JoseCuervo
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Fecl,
Did you actually buy-in to the claim that there was a "Coalition of the Willing"?
I am sure the Phillipinos were pressured into sending the 51, and did so with the agreement that they would be in Humanitarian roles. How about the Republic of Palau, (or however you spell the island)?
99% of the heavy lifting has been done by the US and the British, and it looks like Tony Blair may be in hot water for his role. My guess is you will see the US by ourselves there, before long, if Dubya is re-elected. Perhaps for 10 years or so.
And to answer your question, no, it doesn't make me happy. And it doesn't make my friends who have kids that are 16 years old happy. My oldest is 11, so it looks like we have time to get Dubya out of office, and attempt to fix the quagmire that Iraq has become. And before you ask me about my daughters serving in the military, ask Dubya why HIS daughters aren't in the military.
Did you actually buy-in to the claim that there was a "Coalition of the Willing"?
I am sure the Phillipinos were pressured into sending the 51, and did so with the agreement that they would be in Humanitarian roles. How about the Republic of Palau, (or however you spell the island)?
99% of the heavy lifting has been done by the US and the British, and it looks like Tony Blair may be in hot water for his role. My guess is you will see the US by ourselves there, before long, if Dubya is re-elected. Perhaps for 10 years or so.
And to answer your question, no, it doesn't make me happy. And it doesn't make my friends who have kids that are 16 years old happy. My oldest is 11, so it looks like we have time to get Dubya out of office, and attempt to fix the quagmire that Iraq has become. And before you ask me about my daughters serving in the military, ask Dubya why HIS daughters aren't in the military.
FAIRCHASEBEN
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feclnogn
America has always 'stood alone' as the greatest country in the world . It's the 'spineless pussies' in THIS country who attack our president because it's trendy , that make me nauseous .
America has always 'stood alone' as the greatest country in the world . It's the 'spineless pussies' in THIS country who attack our president because it's trendy , that make me nauseous .
BuzzH
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FCB, I think the real "spineless pussies" are the sheeple that DONT question the president.
Its a whole lot easier to jump on the bandwagon than to fly solo.
Its a whole lot easier to jump on the bandwagon than to fly solo.
FCB, you're suggesting that it's un-American to express discontent with the political leaders in the country? I'd say it's about as American as you can get. Or at least the fact that we don't end up in jail for doing so. Isn't that one of the things that makes this "the greatest country in the world?"
Oak
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JoseCuervo
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Oak,
Maybe in FCB's world, you don't actually ever use any of the Freedoms or Rights. You just read about them, and realize that you can't have them, just like a painting in a museum. Pretty to look at, not useful.
Maybe in FCB's world, you don't actually ever use any of the Freedoms or Rights. You just read about them, and realize that you can't have them, just like a painting in a museum. Pretty to look at, not useful.
FAIRCHASEBEN
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I didn't say 'question the president' or 'express discontent' .
I said " attack our president because it's trendy " .
I question the presidents' decisions and I express my discontent at times ( just not on this board , I don't want to sound trendy ) and I have the right to be nauseated by Michael Moore .
I said " attack our president because it's trendy " .
I question the presidents' decisions and I express my discontent at times ( just not on this board , I don't want to sound trendy ) and I have the right to be nauseated by Michael Moore .
JoseCuervo
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FCB,
You ever seen those Marching Band commercials, where 99 members of the band march one direction, and the lone tuba player goes the other way??? Don't you think Dubya should have caught a clue, when the other nations of the world (except UK) said we don't see the proof?
And when Cheney had to make 10 trips to the CIA to have them finally see the proof.
Nobody is attacking the president, but I refuse to ignore his stupid decisions. And my guess is, if it wasn't for Forums like this, many would not read of these follies.
Look how many people like your self are scared ( I won't use the term "spineless pussy") to go see the Michael Moore film, as they DON'T want to be made to think, or question Dubya's policies.
You ever seen those Marching Band commercials, where 99 members of the band march one direction, and the lone tuba player goes the other way??? Don't you think Dubya should have caught a clue, when the other nations of the world (except UK) said we don't see the proof?
And when Cheney had to make 10 trips to the CIA to have them finally see the proof.
Nobody is attacking the president, but I refuse to ignore his stupid decisions. And my guess is, if it wasn't for Forums like this, many would not read of these follies.
Look how many people like your self are scared ( I won't use the term "spineless pussy") to go see the Michael Moore film, as they DON'T want to be made to think, or question Dubya's policies.
FAIRCHASEBEN
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Elk
Why is it so hard for you to understand that there are those of us who don't want to see this movie because we just don't like this guy ?
I saw his first movie , that was enough for me .
The only thing it made me "think" is ; this guy needs his ass kicked , he's obnoxious , annoying and belligerent !
I don't consider those traits to be good movie making skills .
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Why is it so hard for you to understand that there are those of us who don't want to see this movie because we just don't like this guy ?
I saw his first movie , that was enough for me .
The only thing it made me "think" is ; this guy needs his ass kicked , he's obnoxious , annoying and belligerent !
I don't consider those traits to be good movie making skills .
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Nemont
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EG,
Did you watch any of the 60 minutes interview with the two Johns. When asked the question what would you do differently in Iraq neither could answer the question. Both saw the same intel. both voted to authorize war in Iraq. If elected neither will change anything in Iraq.
Got news for all the people who think the internationl coalition won the last Gulf War. You need to read your history. The British were in with us in that one and the French but 99% of all the heavy lifting was done by U.S. troops.
As for your children they will not go to Iraq or anywhere else, unless they voluteer to serve. There will not be a draft. It would be political suicide to bring back the draft.
Nemont
Did you watch any of the 60 minutes interview with the two Johns. When asked the question what would you do differently in Iraq neither could answer the question. Both saw the same intel. both voted to authorize war in Iraq. If elected neither will change anything in Iraq.
Got news for all the people who think the internationl coalition won the last Gulf War. You need to read your history. The British were in with us in that one and the French but 99% of all the heavy lifting was done by U.S. troops.
As for your children they will not go to Iraq or anywhere else, unless they voluteer to serve. There will not be a draft. It would be political suicide to bring back the draft.
Nemont
Tom
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Good points there Nemont. Maybe they'll volunteer and see Babylon and the Tigress river and stuff like that. We have a lot of troops in Europe seeing things like that now, from way back in a fight in the '40s.
I imagine we'll have some like that in 2060 in Iraq, if things continue to go well toward progress there.
I imagine we'll have some like that in 2060 in Iraq, if things continue to go well toward progress there.
Nemont
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EG,
I haven't heard that Iraq was a quagmire. You have different info regarding the status of this? I have looked to see if the two Johns are using the term quagmire, they aren't, neither is Al Franken or Molly Ivins. The vast majority of the troops aren't calling it a quagmire and they generally are the first to realize a situation is unwinnable (is that a word?) Maybe Mr. Moore is using the term quagmire but who really cares about his opinion?
Nemont
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Calif. Hunter
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Look, ElkGunner - it is really getting old that you have to call people cowards for not going to see a movie that they already know they disagree with.
Quoting EG : "Look how many people like your self are scared ( I won't use the term "spineless pussy") to go see the Michael Moore film, as they DON'T want to be made to think, or question Dubya's policies."
I don't know about you, but I don't need Michael Moore to tell me how to think and I don't have to go see a stupid movie movie made by a fat pompous ass because you think I should - because I don't really care what you think of me, either. You calling me a coward cracks me up - I have been shot, stabbed and beat up. I have killed people and let quite a bit of my own blood out for this country and for the right of you and Moore to say whatever you want. You think your words are going to bother me??? I have put my body where my mouth is.
Who believes that Qaddafi and Libya would have voluntarily eliminated his WMD programs and disavowed terrorism if we had not deposed Saddam so easily?
Who believes that North Korea suddenly decided to negotiate rather than threaten after we shut down Saddam? (How many lives would be lost if we ended up in a war in Korea, again?)
Well, I suppose Michael Moore probably believes those are totally unrelated.
[ 07-13-2004, 16:29: Message edited by: Calif. Hunter ]
Quoting EG : "Look how many people like your self are scared ( I won't use the term "spineless pussy") to go see the Michael Moore film, as they DON'T want to be made to think, or question Dubya's policies."
I don't know about you, but I don't need Michael Moore to tell me how to think and I don't have to go see a stupid movie movie made by a fat pompous ass because you think I should - because I don't really care what you think of me, either. You calling me a coward cracks me up - I have been shot, stabbed and beat up. I have killed people and let quite a bit of my own blood out for this country and for the right of you and Moore to say whatever you want. You think your words are going to bother me??? I have put my body where my mouth is.
Who believes that Qaddafi and Libya would have voluntarily eliminated his WMD programs and disavowed terrorism if we had not deposed Saddam so easily?
Who believes that North Korea suddenly decided to negotiate rather than threaten after we shut down Saddam? (How many lives would be lost if we ended up in a war in Korea, again?)
Well, I suppose Michael Moore probably believes those are totally unrelated.
[ 07-13-2004, 16:29: Message edited by: Calif. Hunter ]
Calif. Hunter
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"You ever seen those Marching Band commercials, where 99 members of the band march one direction, and the lone tuba player goes the other way??? Don't you think Dubya should have caught a clue, when the other nations of the world (except UK) said we don't see the proof?"
You ever see the films of the lemmings following one another right off the cliff? Sometimes it is better if we don't follow everyone else's lead. Sometimes, I'd rather be the tuba player.
You ever see the films of the lemmings following one another right off the cliff?
Sometimes it is better if we don't follow everyone else's lead. Sometimes, I'd rather be the tuba player.
JoseCuervo
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Cali,Originally posted by Calif. Hunter:
You ever see the films of the lemmings following one another right off the cliff?
Do you even bother to check out these things before you post them?
Cali Gettin' Schooled by Snopes.com
Calif. Hunter
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Now even Walt Disney is a liar like Michael Moore.
"When such a migration occurs, some lemmings die by falling over cliffs or drowning in lakes or rivers." (From the website EG links to...)
I never said the lemmings deliberately committed suicide, and I never believed that. After all, to "deliberate" takes reasoning abilities, which lemmings do not have in mass amounts. But nothing on the website you linked to says a single thing about them not following each other to death, trying to swim a lake or falling off cliffs or being pushed from those behind them. In fact, it says that they do die that way.
So there is no contradiction in what I said.
Do you even read what you link to?
"When such a migration occurs, some lemmings die by falling over cliffs or drowning in lakes or rivers." (From the website EG links to...)
I never said the lemmings deliberately committed suicide, and I never believed that. After all, to "deliberate" takes reasoning abilities, which lemmings do not have in mass amounts. But nothing on the website you linked to says a single thing about them not following each other to death, trying to swim a lake or falling off cliffs or being pushed from those behind them. In fact, it says that they do die that way.
So there is no contradiction in what I said.
Do you even read what you link to?
JoseCuervo
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Cali said:
But, in this case, I will defer to you, as you must be the expert on lemming-type behaviour...
You said they followed each other off the cliffs. Now you are claiming that some might fall off a cliff while migrating, if it happens to step in the wrong place???
But, in this case, I will defer to you, as you must be the expert on lemming-type behaviour...
Calif. Hunter
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So - are you admitting that you did not read the link you posted?
JoseCuervo
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No, I have read the link. I was just acknowledging your vast experience on being a lemming. How long have you voted Republican???
