Dubya Silent on Genocide in Sudan

[JoseCuervo]

How does Dubya decide which Governments he wants to overthrow, based upon Genocide actions?

At least Kerry provides us with an alterantive....

Kerry on Sudan and the Lessons of Rwanda
Washington, DC –John Kerry called on President Bush in a statement issued today to take immediate action to prevent a possible humnitarian tragedy in the Darfur region of Sudan:

“As the world pauses to recall in sorrow and regret the genocide that began ten years ago in Rwanda, we must act to prevent an enormous humanitarian tragedy in the Darfur region of Sudan, where fighting has led to the death and displacement of thousands in recent weeks.
“In neighboring Chad, a process of negotiation has begun between the government of Sudan and the rebels. It is imperative that all pressure be applied on the parties to negotiate an immediate ceasefire and allow access for humanitarian aid. Diplomatic pressure must be applied on the Sudanese government to stop the ‘janjaweed’ and allow monitoring in Darfur.
“The tragedy in Rwanda continues to give us pause. We must not forget the lessons of Rwanda, and we must demonstrate this by our leadership. We showed that kind of leadership in Bosnia and Kosovo, and it is needed now in Sudan to prevent a full-scale genocide and avoid the kind of broader destabilization that followed the tragic anniversary we mark today.
“I call on the President to demonstrate this kind of leadership in resolving the crisis in Sudan. We need to act now so that we never again find ourselves remembering our own failure to stop another genocide.”

 

[Nemont]

EG,
The same way Clinton did with Rawanda. Kerry was in the senate when the Rawanda deal happened and President Clinton decided we had no national interests in Rawanda. He never called on President Clinton to intervene then.

Nemont

 

[Calif. Hunter]

What did Clinton do with Rwanda? "Apply all diplomatic pressure." What the heck does that mean? Like what Clinton did with Al Quaida and Saddam? Thugs and dictators do not listen to the international community.

So Kerry would say, "Do what we want or I will take my Ambassador home?" Or just throw money at the problem and allow the dictator to get richer off our tax dollars and selling the aid supplies on the Black Market?

Because we all know, EG, that you do not approve of military force to liberate another country.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Originally posted by Calif. Hunter:


Because we all know, EG, that you do not approve of military force to liberate another country.

Cali,
You are completely wrong. I think we should use Military force around the world, to get what we want. Right now, I think the most important things are cheap oil, so we should be invading the Oil countries and siezing their production and I think Human Rights are important, so we should be making sure there are no more "Rawandas".

Why did we worry about Bosnia/Kosovo and not Rawanda? That is what troubles me....

 

[Nemont]

EG,
Because Bosnia and Kosovo sit very close to our NATO Allies, ie Italy. We were and are obiligate to assist in Europe by treaty. Then President Clinton believed that it was better to contain a conflict to the former Yugoslav republics than to have it boil over into one of our allied countries.
We had no such interests or treaties in Rawanda. In fact when the Dutch lost their 12 soldiers to the fighting they pulled out and requested that in order for them to not be viewed as cowards that the U.S. and the French also pull out of Rawanda. Also the U.N. removed the bulk of their people and left the Rawandans to their fate. The remaining U.N. mission was stripped of their arms and remained there to witness the carnage.
The President and his advisers never ever used the word Genocide when dealing with the Rawandan issue.
A very similar scene is taking place in the Sudan.

NOTE I AM NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH ALL THIS I AM JUST STATING MY OBSERVATIONS.

Nemont

 

[Tom]

President Bush, who has tried to bring an end to a separate civil war in Sudan, called on the Sudanese government to end the attacks in Darfur.
-- The New York Times

The UN and him and others are working on it.

 

[ELKCHSR]

We need more individuals to put aside their endeavor of higher learning and join the military to in all honesty, "do their part", since this is really their mantra...As is another one, we can each make a difference, then they can finish up on their learning after they have done service to our country instead of just doing our country...Well I tell them, get on it...Quit letting the rest of us carry them in their liberal socialistic endeavors until they have done their part for the freedoms they take so much for granted and have no true understandings of what they have, then they have a real say in the goings on that could actually be respected....

 

[feclnogn]

Cali,
You are completely wrong. I think we should use Military force around the world, to get what we want

To get what we want??? This is absolutely NOT what the military is for. We use the military for the safety and well being of our nation, our freedoms and those of our allies.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Originally posted by feclnogn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Cali,
You are completely wrong. I think we should use Military force around the world, to get what we want

To get what we want??? This is absolutely NOT what the military is for. We use the military for the safety and well being of our nation, our freedoms and those of our allies. </font>[/QUOTE]Dang Fecln,
Which side of the Middle of the Road are you on???

Don't you think we would have more "well being" if we controlled all the Oil countries? As the owner of a V-10, I am kinda getting tired of these $2 per gallon gas pumps.

 

[Calif. Hunter]

As the owner of a V-10, I am kinda getting tired of these $2 per gallon gas pumps.

I have to agree with EG on this one, as I also own a V-10.

 

[feclnogn]

Don't you think we would have more "well being" if we controlled all the Oil countries? As the owner of a V-10, I am kinda getting tired of these $2 per gallon gas pumps.

EG, are you still holding on to those old and tired Dem talking points about this war being about oil??

If you want cheaper gas you might want to look into getting some more refinerys up and running. May I suggest your backyard as a starting point

 

[JoseCuervo]

Originally posted by feclnogn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Don't you think we would have more "well being" if we controlled all the Oil countries? As the owner of a V-10, I am kinda getting tired of these $2 per gallon gas pumps.

EG, are you still holding on to those old and tired Dem talking points about this war being about oil??

If you want cheaper gas you might want to look into getting some more refinerys up and running. May I suggest your backyard as a starting point </font>[/QUOTE]Fecl,
Why would I want a refinery in my back yard? I would prefer it in some vacant sand lot in the Middle East, or some other wasteland like Texas. Idaho is too great to waste on Oil refining. And I sure don't see any reason to drill in the US, when we can just take over oil fields in Iraq.

I don't understand what is wrong with a War for Oil?

 

[Calif. Hunter]

Since the largest part of California's oil usage is supplied by oilfields near Bakersfield, I fail to see what the Mid East has to do with it....

 

[JoseCuervo]

Cali,

Is that true, the majority of Calif oil is from Bakersfield? What about the refineries in Richmond and the surrounding areas on the East Bay? Those all had tanker ships parked at them last week.

(And a side question, why was the most expensive gas I bought in Richmond, a stone's throw from the refinery????)

 

[Calif. Hunter]

The figure given in the last "gas shortage" was 60% (or more) of California's gasoline comes from fields near Bakersfield. The refinieries near Richmond and those in San Pedro, Long Beach and Torrance refine oil from Alaska and the Mid-East for shipment to the rest of the country and for the other 40% (or less) of California's need. No sense in shipping the crude oil/raw material to Kansas and then refining it.

In California, a lot of the cost of gasoline is taxation, and that does vary from city to city and county to county.