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Three men from Arkansas who illegally killed two deer in late October in southwest Colorado have paid more than $20,000 in fines for the offense to the Colorado Division of Wildlife (DOW).

The men also have been assessed 15 penalty points against their hunting privileges in Colorado. If they accumulate 20 points or more within five years they will lose their license privileges in Colorado.

"These are major fines that show that wildlife crime doesn't pay," said Patt Dorsey, area wildlife manager in the Durango area.

The men violated Colorado's "Samson Law" which imposes heavy penalties for illegally killing trophy-class animals. Depending on the species, the fines range from $4,000 to $25,000. The fine for deer in the Samson category is $10,000.

The men, who admitted guilt after an investigation by a DOW wildlife officer, were hunting near Vallecito Reservoir about 30 miles northeast of Durango. The identity of the men and the charges are:
-- Frank Kelly, 60, Springdale, Arkansas; unlawful take of a mule deer plus a Samson surcharge.
-- Lonnie Blakemore, 66, Farmington, Arkansas; unlawful take of a mule deer plus a Samson surcharge.
-- Gerald Harp, 65, Springdale Arkansas; unlawful transfer of a license.

To settle the charges for all the men, Kelly paid the entire fine of $22,192 after being questioned by DOW District Wildlife Manager, Cary Carron. The animals were killed during Colorado's second rifle season during which deer and elk can be hunted.

During routine patrol on Oct. 24, Carron received a tip about two large buck deer that might have been taken illegally near an area known as Freeman Park above Vallecito Reservoir.
Carron located hunters in that area and questioned them. According to the incident report, one man acted very nervous. Carron, a veteran wildlife officer with more than 20 years experience, left the area but contacted the hunters again later to ask more questions.

Eventually, Kelly told Carron the full story.

Kelly said that Blakemore had killed a small buck on Oct. 23. Later that afternoon Blakemore saw a large buck and shot it, even though he'd already filled his license. Blakemore's action was illegal.

In an attempt to cover up the kill, Kelly agreed to place his license tag illegally on the large deer.

The next morning Kelly saw a large buck and killed it. But because he no longer had a valid license, Harp agreed to place his tag on the deer.

All three men's actions violated Colorado's wildlife laws.

Carron measured the spread of the deer antlers and determined they were "Samson" sized - more than 22 inches across just above the skull.

The men were given two choices: post bond at the La Plata County jail to secure their appearance for a court date later; or admit guilt and pay the fines.

In his report, Carron wrote: "Kelly said that he did not want to go to jail. He said that he felt that this whole mess was his fault and he did not want these other guys to get into trouble."

The two large deer were confiscated by the DOW and the meat was donated to a local food bank. Blakemore was allowed to keep the first deer because it was shot and tagged legally.

The DOW utilizes the same investigative tools that all law enforcement agencies use, Dorsey said.

"DOW officers use good-old game warden skills, the latest technology and tips from the public to crack these cases. We have every investigative tool we need to catch people who are hunting illegally," Dorsey said.



Cary Carron, an officer with the Colorado Division of Wildlife,
holds antlers from a large buck that was killed illegally in late
October near Vallecito Reservoir in southwest Colorado. Three
hunters from Arkansas paid more than $22,000 in fines for
killing this deer and another large buck.

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...so basically, officer Carron heard a party hunting rumor where a 'Samson' class was involved & hounded the guy til he broke. Certainly creates a better photo op than bustin' illegal quads.
 
DOW officers can't bust illegal quads. You can blame the USFS and BLM for that. Do you think Carron would have treated it differently if they had shot a couple of forkhorns?
 
The DOW probably never would have recieved a tip if they had been small bucks. Nobody would have noticed, or cared. I feel almost as if these guys got punished a little more than necessary. Would the fines be the same if they had killed these bucks in January long after the season was over?
 
The DOW probably never would have recieved a tip if they had been small bucks.
Probably, but the fine would have been $20K less.

I feel almost as if these guys got punished a little more than necessary.
I disagree, what they did was illegal. It seems pretty straight forward that two of the deer fell into the "Sampson" category. Party hunting is illegal in Colorado and if you choose to violate the law, you better be ready to pay the consequences. Seems to me if your deer tag is already hanging on a critter you better stop hunting for them critters. I agree $20K is a lot of money, but if it helps curb poaching, I am all for it. This was not an accident.
Would the fines be the same if they had killed these bucks in January long after the season was over?
I would say yes. Illegal take is illegal take, doesn't matter if it was out-of-season, in a spotlight or on tresspassed private property.
 
Yeah I knew somebody would come down on me for that. :D

Don't disagree with you either. Just was my "feeling." Seems hard core poachers, with no license, no tag, shooting big bucks out of season witn no intention of using the meat, would get the same fine as these guys, who just got a little "greedy."
 
I agree with Miller and Ithaca...they had it coming and in my opinion got off too easy.
 
Oak said:
DOW officers can't bust illegal quads. You can blame the USFS and BLM for that. Do you think Carron would have treated it differently if they had shot a couple of forkhorns?

Oak, are you saying DOW officers can't bust a hunter for using a quad illegally while hunting?

...and yes, I think it would've been treated differently had it not been a large deer.
 
I'm saying that DOW officers can not enforce BLM and USFS laws. The only laws they can enforce are state laws such as shooting from a motor vehicle, loaded firearms on the vehicle, uncased weapon, etc. If they're just riding on a closed USFS trail, they can just report them to a USFS LEO.

How do you think the case would have been treated differently, beyond $20K less in fines? (I can almost assure you it would not have been)
 
First of all, very good post & I absolutely agree Carron did an excellent job & the perps got what they deserved...& not trying to hijack & switch to a quad debate. All I'm saying is that some "rumors" provide greater motivation to DOW LEO's than others.

You disagree?
 
I'd say that the rumors that provide the most motivation are the ones with the best information from the witness. Rumors that sound like, "someone said" or "I think maybe" don't get as much attention as, "I saw this, and then I saw this."

The DWM's I know would be all over a party hunting report with good eyewitness reports, regardless of the size of the deer.

BTW, I think the size requirement for charging under the Sampson law is a crock. If one deer is worth $10,000, then they're all worth $10k.
 
I think you could argue that all deer are potentially worth the same, not knowing anything about the deer's genetics, etc. But, I think you could argue, and older deer has used up more public resources to get old, and is therefore worth more, because it costs more to get that old in time and in resources, even on public land. Stiff laws are what are needed to end poaching, it seems. If that guy paid a $20K fine right off, he must have been pretty well off too. $20K to a rich person is not the same as $20K to a poor person.
 
Tom said:
$20K to a rich person is not the same as $20K to a poor person.

Tom,
I'll say this, you have a firm grasp of the obvious.
The higher fine for killing a "trophy" class animal is a great way to discourage poachers. A trophy animal is worth more because people are willing to pay more, work harder and spend more time trying to kill one. They are more valuable to the state then a little fork horned buck with milk still on his lips.

Nemont
 
A smart liberal democrat, that would be so rare, if that existed, I'd probably call that an irregular genius. It would be impossible for them to be a regular genius, but they might say something smart once in a while, that could be considered irregular genius type comments.
 
I think Officer Carron is Marshal Dillon from gunsmoke reincarnated ,
it's hilarious that after being questioned by Marshal Dillon the Arky pissed his pants and wrote a check for 22k .
 
I agree with what was done. but it does raise the question of whether or not the size of the take had anything to do with it. All in all, poachers get whatever the law states and I agree with that.
 

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