Dam breaching facts--Wake up, you dam lovers!

[Ithaca 37]

"Dam Removal
It's about rebirth, not destruction

By TED WILLIAMS

DAMS ARE NOT AMERICA'S ANSWER to the pyramids of Egypt. We do not build them for religious purposes." So declared America's tireless dam-busting cheerleader Bruce Babbitt when, with joyful swipes of his ceremonial sledgehammer, the former US Interior Secretary regularly presided over the dismantling of useless, decrepit, dangerous dams. In 1993 this behavior was considered so bizarre that President Clinton dressed him down for it.

Today the notion that dams are not sacred monuments to be preserved for all time is universally accepted by state and federal agencies. As yet, however, there is no such acceptance by the general public, a fact that should alarm all thinking Americans regardless of how they feel about fish and wildlife. A dam's average life expectancy is 50 years, and a quarter of America's 76,000 dams defined by the Corps of Engineers as "large-" or "high-hazard" (in which failure is apt to kill people) are more than 50 years old. By 2020 the figure will be 80 percent......"

http://www.flyrodreel.com/conservation0402.html

Let's see some of you looney tunes read that and then defend dams!

 

[cjcj]

Ithaca don`t you even have a CLUE! Bruce Babbit was and still is A PHONY! one of the most CORRUPT liberal politition`s from arizona, and we have had a lot of them, he comes from a long,long line of swindlers, the babbit`s were stealing from the indian`sway back in the 1800`s and old bruce was making deal`s with the indian`s back east when he worked for clinton, don`t you remember all of the paper`s he and his cronies shredded over the indian casino`s, he was indicted then let off by Janet reno slick willie`s #1 protector i can`t believe you think this phony prick has any credability at all.

 

[spm21]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>A dam's average life expectancy is 50 years, and a quarter of America's 76,000 dams defined by the Corps of Engineers as "large-" or "high-hazard" (in which failure is apt to kill people) are more than 50 years old. By 2020 the figure will be 80 percent...... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So I imagine Hoover Dam should be letting go any minute now..............

This is typical rhetoric from the enviromaniacs. Make a claim to scare the shit out of people with out any supporting facts. Just make stuff up or use quasi science to make some outlanding claim.

You better look out cuz the sky is falling and if ya dont move your ass it might just squash ya flat.

Cheers,
Scott

 

[Ithaca 37]

cj and Scott, You guys need a lot of education. "with the exception of Trout Unlimited and a few other enlightened angling groups, America's sportsmen have been sitting on the bench. More disheartening is the fact that when sportsmen do get involved, they're often on the wrong side."

Ted Williams is talking about YOU.

And Scott, Those figures are from the "enviromaniacs" at the Army Corp. of Engineers. Wake up!

 

[cjcj]

You [ithaca] are the one who need`s a real life education, i guess you love guy`s like bruce babbit and other liberal phonies, you want to talk about WELFARE RANCHERS! Bruce babbit and his whole family [see Babbit land ,cattle and trading Co.] your really good at research, and i mean that sincerly,so do some on the babbit`s start back in the 1800`s when grandpappy babbit started by running freight from sanfrancisco across california and arizona, he had all of the indian contract`s and alway`s ripped off the tribe`s, then check out modern day Bruce former AZ att. gen. and GOV. and the corruption charges and subsequent cover up about 4-5 yrs. ago, otherwise if you think Babbit is trustworthy than there is no more to say, you hang out with your boy`s [liberal] and i`ll stay with my conservative/radical`s you read the book`s we walk the street`s

 

[JoseCuervo]

CjCj,

This article that was linked had nothing to do with Babbit. His name was mentioned only to show how far we have progressed as a society, where just a few short years ago, we had to breach our dams with little fanfare. And now, people around the nation are celebrating and embracing the rebirth of these rivers.

If you read the link, the word "Babbit" only shows up twice, in 29 paragraphs. In your posts, the word "Babbit" (and your various forms of the word) shows up 7 times in two paragraphs.

CJ, go read the link, it actually talks about the good that comes from breaching dams, and how it is far better economics for some dams to breach them, and it has happened.

This article is not about Babbit, it is about restoring fish into rivers. Isn't that a good thing?

 

[Delw]

Cj.. of all the dams I am for be'ing breeched GLEN CANYON is the one... and here is why..

When they breech that dam lake powill will be no longer... which in turn will

1. all the gay bass(trout for you non az guys) will pretty much be washed away along with all the native species they are trying to breech the dam for.

2. lake mead will be the main draw of a water source and right now uts like 75 feet below full.... so that lake will be a little pond

3. the Mojave will turn into a toliet

4. havasu will go from being a girls gone wild lake to a girls in sandbox...

5 all the water that ca is drawing on these rivers will get shut off, which in fact will shut down farming doing 2 things
A; Illegals wont have a place to work
b. the farms will be turned into its natural state AKA SAND

6. AZ will then become the big sand box , in which we will have to start saving water,people will drive dirty cars, golf course's will become extinct, Lake pleasant will go back to a smaller lake, (about a 1/4 of the size) the ranch will be forced to shut down and this place will go back to the way it was ... basically dirt....

Now the good part for us, is that the house values will go down, the idiots from ca. will go back home, bidwells and the rest of the sports people will go away(since the tax mone(welfare sports)y we are giving them now will have to pay for water being trucked in), The fag mayor in tempe will loose his 20 million dollar GAY TUB (tempe town lake) and will marry a women he met on the wanted a wife add(however we will have to pay for his lawyer fees when his fag boyfriends file a I am not loved any more suit, claiming discriminations due to public pressure....

People will be moving out of this town faster than they moved in, your chanes of getting an elk tag are about 80% a deer tag is about 99%.. Traffic will go way way down, the bus's will quit running and also save us money in taxs, VALTRAN the other mayors project will still be built cause its such a good system( we can use it for a sewer)

so there is a bright side to breeching the glen canyon dam


Delw

 

[Ithaca 37]

cj, Please try to get over your obsession with the Babbit family and focus on the issue.

 

[Delw]

Ithaca.

Most people who live in AZ for a long time)Most being outdoorsman) have problems with the babbit family....


Delw

 

[1_pointer]

Del- Aren't trout only allowed in the first 10 miles below the dam now? The rest are being killed and used for fertilizer because of an endangered fish, chub of some sort I think.

 

[cjcj]

Well gunner the first thing i read was that Bruce babbit was America`s dam busting cheerleader! so in my opinion it is very much about him, he`s the cheerleader

but i do get your point, and yes in some cases, some dam`s that are no longer usefull, could and should be removed, if it is for the better, but very many for instance glen canyon should not be touched, but the enviro-wack`s think it should.​

 

[cjcj]

Hey Ithaca your the one who brought up Babbit not me, he`s your poster boy for dam busting

i`m not obsessed with the babbit`s, i hardly even think about them , except when guy`s like you bring up their name and try to give them some credability. Now Delw if blowing glen cayon up would send all of the californion`s back home i would say it`s worth it!, LMAO but i don`t think anything can stop them or the illegal subhuman`s that are currently invading, now blowing up lake pleasant Hmmm that might do something.​

 

[Ithaca 37]

cj, Go back and read the first post. The article is about dams and Babbitt is only a minor item mentioned. Then read the first post by you wherein you go berserk over the mention of Babbitt!

Please try to remember the subject is dams, not Babbitt. Need I point out I didn't bring him up at all? The author of the article is Williams. cj, you're way out in the ozone!

You, of all SI posters, should be in favor of removing dams. Uncontrolled rivers are much more unpredictable and difficult for illegal immigrants to get across. Have you ever considered that?

 

[Delw]

Ithaca
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>You, of all SI posters, should be in favor of removing dams. Uncontrolled rivers are much more unpredictable and difficult for illegal immigrants to get across. Have you ever considered that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats funny now your getting cjcj t his own game....

Sorry cjcj but he got you on that quote
Delw

 

[cjcj]

Ok boy`s put up yer dukes! Ithaca THAT was just plain stupid! what dam removal would stop illegal`s from crossing the border into AZ? we have NO river on our southern border, SON get yourself a map. Delw you ain`t talking about sonoita creek are you?

 

[JoseCuervo]

Cj,

C'mon, help a brother out.... Support us on this dam breaching... Just cuz you have problems in AZ, don't hold us back from solving our problems in Idaho. Next time you talk to McCain, ask him to support breaching the Lower Snake dams.

Thanks buddy,
Da' SalmonGunner

 

[Delw]

NO I just thought it was funny to see ithaca use the river and illegals on you...
Delw

 

[Ithaca 37]

cj, I wasn't worried about AZ. You've been ruined already. I just don't want those illegals spreading over the rest of the country. Help us out, will ya!? Support dam removal and slow down the migration of illegals to other states!

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[cjcj]

Hey guy`s this sound`s like a good deal for all of us, you guy`s call your congressmen and tell them to stop all illegal immigration and put the military on our border`s and i and several of my family will call johnny boy [Mcain] and the rest of our congressmen and tell them to save the salmon on the snake river in idaho by breaching those dam`s, i have all of them on my speed dial and will be glad to call them with a differant subject. all i get is some intern when i call but they have assured me that the message is getting thru.

 

[2fastnaz]

I'll go for that too. You guys complain about the illeagles for us and we'll lobby to get the lower Snake opened up. Wow maybe we all can just get along!LMAO

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