Colorado to Go Green
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More so than CA that’s going to be a complicated road. Virtually no public transit, still a lot of Coal not to mention OG.
Essentially the Gasoline, Distillate, and Coal from the chart all need to be converted to renewables (assuming an electric car uses similar energy as an IC) add a delta for growth... and only then can you even think about natural gas.
CO is a good place for solar... but that’s A LOT of solar.
Essentially the Gasoline, Distillate, and Coal from the chart all need to be converted to renewables (assuming an electric car uses similar energy as an IC) add a delta for growth... and only then can you even think about natural gas.
CO is a good place for solar... but that’s A LOT of solar.
Dougfirtree
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Yes, an uphill battle and we may not be where we need to be to make it a reality, but I have to say, good for Colorado for trying. A step in the right direction, at least.
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Agreed, I think a frank pragmatic discussion about the issues is key.
For instance, even a Tesla uses a huge about of petroleum derived plastic, so given that fact and the fact we can’t currently produce enough energy by any other means what is the best way to use OG.
Is the carbon footprint/emissions level better from EV vehicles and NG power plants than IC cars? If so should we try to increase NG production?
Buffet seems to think something to that effect with his purchase of dominion. If it is the case the US has ample shale gas... though perhaps it isn’t?
I don’t think our current politics allows us to have those conversations at a national level.
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You are correct, the emissions for energy use can be worse for electric cars that internal combustion, to a point. The vehicle is dictated by the electricity source, but generally these vehicles are more efficient on the energy they consume and many times your grid is cleaner than a gas burning internal combustion engine (ICE). You also have to remember there is a lot of energy lost from an ICE while it is operating, idling at stops, waste heat coming out the tail pipe, etc.
Part of the problem with all this is there is so much push from special interest groups who's main concern is their shareholders. I feel that nuclear is part of the solution. Granted it requires mining but the energy derived is far better, cleaner, safer than using fracking. It is a good solution to the off days of solar and wind energy generation. Additionally, the use of solar where it matters is a part of the solution. Ever look down at all those warehouses, factories and rooftops when you are flying above a city. That is a lot of square feet that could be generating electricity when the sun shines. Small scale reactors placed strategically throughout the grid will deal with demand peaks and non-production periods of time.
Don't get me started on plastics - that is another issue in this whole fossil fuel bucket that no one is looking to resolve. It is cheaper to make new plastic that to use that which is already been used, there is no financial motivation for organizations to look to replace virgin plastics with post-consumer waste plastic.
I agree with establishing a path towards emissions - we need to establish something to hold us accountable.
Part of the problem with all this is there is so much push from special interest groups who's main concern is their shareholders. I feel that nuclear is part of the solution. Granted it requires mining but the energy derived is far better, cleaner, safer than using fracking. It is a good solution to the off days of solar and wind energy generation. Additionally, the use of solar where it matters is a part of the solution. Ever look down at all those warehouses, factories and rooftops when you are flying above a city. That is a lot of square feet that could be generating electricity when the sun shines. Small scale reactors placed strategically throughout the grid will deal with demand peaks and non-production periods of time.
Don't get me started on plastics - that is another issue in this whole fossil fuel bucket that no one is looking to resolve. It is cheaper to make new plastic that to use that which is already been used, there is no financial motivation for organizations to look to replace virgin plastics with post-consumer waste plastic.
I agree with establishing a path towards emissions - we need to establish something to hold us accountable.
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@Midwest Greenhorn Im not sure on the OG v nuclear environmental impact so far as extraction goes, I would be curious if folks in NM have bigger issues with uranium mines or OG wells.
Totally agree about solar on roof tops, especially office buildings which have peak power usage during the day, problem is solar companies are funded by the same sources as everything else and they just care about returns, therefore we are more likely to see public land solar fields than dispersed urban panels. I find that highly problematic.
Totally agree about solar on roof tops, especially office buildings which have peak power usage during the day, problem is solar companies are funded by the same sources as everything else and they just care about returns, therefore we are more likely to see public land solar fields than dispersed urban panels. I find that highly problematic.
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It all comes down to money and motives, right?!
I have been reading more about the problems of solar panels at end of life too, that's a concern that will give all environmentalists a black eye at the end of the day.
Can you help me - I can't draw the connection, what does OG stand for? Offshore Gas, Organic Gassification, Original Gangsta?!
LuketheDog
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Governor Newsome: "No more new gas-powered vehicles by 2035"
Governor Polis: "Hold my beer..."
Governor Polis: "Hold my beer..."
Zach
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I think I'm gonna go fire up my F250 and just let it idle all day...
Zach
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Newsome/Polis or Polis/Newsome 2024?
noharleyyet
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CO/CA.....ideological annexation
Zach
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Well, Jared did go to a pretty uppity high school in La Jolla, CA. When my high school played them they always had the nicest uni's.
3855WIN
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Any vehicle can break down, but Colorado sure has some spots that you’d hate to run out of battery juice at. I’d love to have a stealth truck, but also want to make it back to town, eventually.
HighDesertSage
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Maybe they'll shit can closing of the coal plant in Craig to help generate the electricity for all the new electric cars.
Bigjay73
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So we're gonna build a nuke plant?
Bigjay73
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I'm thinking by 2035, the automotive market will be mostly electric just by demand and technological advancement. Pretty sure the market is being driven in that direction already by consumer demand, don't think we need to legislate it. Kinda like how we have wolves natural filling our forests, dont need a policy to accomplish it, but I digress.
LuketheDog
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Exactly. I'd consider a hybrid, but while they may be useful in urban areas the current crop of electric vehicles falls so short in the usability factor for me and many others in the West...
noharleyyet
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Winners/losers...pick em. Policy = Power. Step out'a line the man comes and takes you away = Cancel
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