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Am I a Hunter or an ATV Rider?

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by Dan Kleen

Feb. 10 – When I’m riding my ATV for recreation, I’m an ATV rider. When I’m sitting in my blind, I’m a hunter. But when I use my ATV to hunt, what am I?


ATVA member Dan Kleen, ATV enthusiast and hunter.
I reckon that I’m both an ATV rider and a hunter. And as such, I need to be aware that my actions will reflect on both sports and leave an impression with both the non-riding and non-hunting publics.

To be responsible hunters, we are taught safety first, always to ask for a landowner’s permission before going on their property, and to respect wildlife and the environment. Those exact same things apply to us as responsible ATV riders. So those of us who use our ATVs while hunting really need to be aware that we are representing not one, but two user groups while we are enjoying our great outdoors.

I have had the opportunity to represent and work with both hunters and ATVers on the state and national level, and issues collectively involving hunting and ATVs are becoming more numerous and more visible.

With sales of ATVs at an all-time high, every hunting show and sportsman publication is being sponsored to some degree by ATV manufacturers and companies that sell ATV hunting accessories. Each year, more and more people discover that an ATV can help make a hunting or outdoor trip more accessible and enjoyable. With the increasing number of ATVs, however, we also see an increase in issues that can have a negative impact on our sports.

From private landowners to state and federal agencies to others who enjoy the outdoors, our sports are becoming more visible. And even though the vast majority of hunters and ATVers pursue our activities responsibly and follow the rules, a few irresponsible individuals are creating a negative image of both of our great sports.

All states have rules and regulations governing hunting, and a growing number of states also have legislation to regulate the use of ATVs. Not surprisingly, many states are also taking aim at issues involving both ATVs and hunting, and rightfully so.

Laws currently in place vary considerably from state to state. Some allow hunting from the saddle of your ATV, while others restrict their use to game retrieval.

As a hunting ATVer with a physical disability, I’m pleased to report that a growing number of states recognize the value of ATVs to disabled persons. Without an ATV, my hunting would be limited to areas I can access with my pickup and wheelchair. Believe me: My 660 Grizzly is a lot better in mud and snow, and going up and down hills, then my chair!

There are many hunters who have limited mobility due to illness, injury, age or disability. They depend on ATVs to hunt, fish, work and pleasure ride. Odds are that some of you may someday need to use your ATV for the same reasons.

None of us should have to worry about losing our right to use our public lands because of the actions of the few that do not follow the laws. But we do need to be concerned, and if we don’t help fix the problems that exist, we will lose riding and hunting opportunities.

We have a right to responsibly use of our lands, and we should work hard to keep those rights. Part of our work includes educating our friends and neighbors of the damage they can do to all of us through irresponsible and reckless behavior.

Over the years, hunters have proven to be the best stewards for wildlife, and without their efforts to improve wildlife habitats and hunting regulations we would not have the great hunting opportunities we do. I feel very strongly that this same level of stewardship can and will be accomplished by ATV users.

We are already seeing great successes all over the country. Organized ATV and other motorized user groups are working with land managers to improve and protect our riding opportunities. We are doing this with the well-being of the environment as our major concern. After all, ATV riders love the outdoors and wildlife as much as any other recreational or environmental group.

For me, the joy of riding an ATV comes from the experience of getting close to nature. One common misconception that so-called environmentalists hope to perpetuate is that ATV riders are not environmentalists. That’s simply not true, and we need to combat this image.

The best way for you to get involved is to join the ATVA as well as one or more local clubs or state associations. Already a member? Then sign up a friend and have him or her sign up a friend.

If you would like help starting a club in your area, contact the ATVA here, or (800) ATVA-JOIN; or the National Off-Highway Vehicle Conservation Council (NOHVCC ) at www.nohvcc.org or (800) 348-6487. We’ll be happy to send you a free club start-up kit.

As a hunter and an ATV rider, I will continue to work to preserve our environment and to improve to image of both sports. I ask all of you for your help. It is our responsibility to know the laws of the state where we are hunting or riding and to help educate others.

It’s the best investment we can make in our recreational future.

© 2003, All Terrain Vehicle Association
 
The ATVA will get my support, even if just morally, when they start to purchase or rehabiltate habitat.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> sportsman publication is being sponsored to some degree by ATV manufacturers and companies that sell ATV hunting accessories. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Guess they don't read Bugle the publication of the RMEF. They refuse to take money from ATV manufacturers because they don't feel that are good for their mission.
 
Lost, Ive noticed that people hunt who hunt on ATVs have FUPs.
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Here you go 1-Pointer:

Feb. 6 – Imagine a devastating fire that burns for more than five weeks and destroys thousands of acres of forest.

Now imagine the aftermath: a landscape of unsteady burned trees that could fall at any time, the danger of heavy rains causing floods and mudslides, plus loose rocks that could tumble down mountainsides because of the loss of vegetation that helped hold the rocks in place.

It’s a danger zone.

That’s exactly what Colorado officials are now facing. And they’re dealing with the danger with the help of volunteers aboard ATVs.

The Hayman Fire that destroyed 137,760 acres of the Pike National Forest in central Colorado was the largest fire in the state’s recorded history. The fire burned out of control from June 8 to July 18.

Some 600 structures were lost in the blaze, including 133 homes. Officials peg the cost of the fire to date at more than $39 million.

Because of the danger, the entire area is closed to the public.

On August 3, about 1,000 volunteers, including 50 ATVers and their machines, turned out for Colorado Cares Day at the burned-out area to help with efforts to restore the forest.

Colorado Cares is an annual event supported by hundreds of businesses, churches, synagogues, charities and other civic groups and individuals across the state. State officials say that besides taking part in one-day service projects, citizen volunteers make commitments to serving their communities throughout the year.

Corey Corbett, vice chairman of the Colorado Off-Highway Vehicle Coalition, says his organization coordinated the ATV volunteer effort dealing with Hayman Fire damage. Clubs that took part included the Colorado Quad Runners and the Northern Colorado Trail Riders.

The 1,000 volunteers, made up of people from all walks of life, were divided into 10 teams of about 100 each, with each team supported by ATV riders. The volunteers were brought in by city buses to toil on a one-square-mile area of public and private land.

“It’s only a very small part of the total land mass that was burned,” Corbett says. “The whole effort is to get Mother Nature back to work. There were so many people, whether they were enthusiasts or users, who wanted to help.”

Colorado Gov. Bill Owens led the effort. The goal was to break up the hard soil and plant wild oat seeds to reclaim the forest.

ATV riders hauled tined drags behind their machines “to break through that hard crust,” Corbett says. “The sap pops out of trees during fires and afterwards it’s like walking on frozen snow with the crunch, crunch, crunch.”

Seeds wouldn’t germinate if the ATVers didn’t break up the soil. Volunteers raked the soil, spread wild oat seeds that germinate quickly, and added a layer of straw to help hold in the moisture.

“The overall objective is to retain the soil,” Corbett says.

The ATVs were able to break up the soil 10 times faster than if volunteers had to do it all by hand.

The ATVers also hauled hay bales and did other chores that would have been back-breaking work for volunteers without machines.

The state had approached the Colorado Off-Highway Vehicle Coalition for help because the officials knew they would need versatile machinery like ATVs.

The ATVers came through and plan to continue to take part in further restoration projects.

“Overall, everyone enjoyed the opportunity to do it,” Corbett said of the ATVers. “They were happy to help and really enjoyed doing it. They felt they had done some good.”

This is a perfect example of ATV enthusiasts giving back to the community, and promoting a positive image of ATVing. Corbett suggests clubs around the nation get prepared now to help out government land managers when they need the special help that can be provided by ATVs.

“Clubs need to establish a close working relationship and communication with land managers so that if there is any type of disaster they will know who to call,” Corbett says.

“An ATV can carry materials and supplies into areas that other vehicles can’t reach, and can do so without leaving a trace,” Corbett says.

It will take many years for the Colorado forests to fully recover. Augmenting the work of ground crews, the U.S. Forest Service is continuing emergency rehabilitation work.

That work involves dropping hydro-mulch, which is a green-colored mixture of grass seed, fiber, water and a substance to hold the mulch together, onto less-accessible areas.

Of course, much more work also remains to be done on the ground and when needed, the ATVs will be there.

© 2003, All Terrain Vehicle

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 07-10-2003 15:52: Message edited by: whitedeer ]</font>
 
I think like all things ATV have there place, and uses. I just don't think they need to be going 60mph thru the woods or fields tearing the hell outa everything. If you use them responsibly....fine. But people are out there just to see how fast they can go, or how high a rooster tail of mud and dirt they can throw. They ruin it for everyone, and thats where the controversy comes in.
 
Sure there are good used for ATV's, but not offroad during hunting season, or when they have a negative impact on wildlife or wildlife habitat.
 
youv`e got a-holes on jet ski`s,atv`s, snowmobile`s etc. don`t blame the ATV! rocky dog what about the benefit`s of atv`s don`t you see any? would you rather someone go off road in their 4x4 3/4 ton to pickup their game in the mud, or on a quad? now i don`t own one but someday i might , how about a handicapped hunter , or should the handicapped give up hunting? don`t blame a piece of steel like gun`s] blame the a-hole that control`s it.
 
Good, they get my kudos for representing 5% of the volunteer. There's some moral support.

IMO, ATV should only be allowed to go where passenger vehichles go. They are still tearing up more country than they are fixing.

CJ- Concessions are already made to allow handicapped hunters to continue to hunt, ie crossbows. I have no problem with them using an ATV as long as they adhere to the laws that pertain to their use.

I agree with MTMiller!!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 07-10-2003 17:19: Message edited by: 1_pointer ]</font>
 
cjcj said, "would you rather someone go off road in their 4x4 3/4 ton to pickup their game in the mud, or on a quad?"

For Christ sake, how about packing the animal out on your FREAKING BACK? Huh, thats a novel idea. Wheres the street smarts and common sense cjcj? in that mud your driving your ATV through?

My feeling is: if you can hike your ass into an area and kill an elk, deer, antelope, you ought to have the balls to pack it out...if not, dont expect me to feel sorry for you and let you drive your machine to it.

Oh, and on the handicapped, I agree with 1-pointer.

The handicaps I see displayed by ATVer's is that they're mental midgets with a real lack of ambition, too lazy to pack critters, and a extra large case of fat ass. Most are 25-35 year old lard butts who have just enough ambition to pull a trigger and turn a key...thats too bad that they're even that ambitious. If they were any less motivated they'd be comatose. The good thing is they typically feel like they've accomplished a lot by dumping a 2-point muley using the handle bars for a rest.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 07-10-2003 19:26: Message edited by: BuzzH ]</font>
 
Buzz what you just said about the handicapped show`s how truly IGNORANT you are on some topic`s. think about what a stupid general statement you just made.
 
CJCJ, listen junior, learn how to read.

I said I agreed with 1-pointer on the handicapped.

To refresh your incoherent memory 1-pointer said, "CJ- Concessions are already made to allow handicapped hunters to continue to hunt, ie crossbows. I have no problem with them using an ATV as long as they adhere to the laws that pertain to their use."

The "lazy fat assed handicap" (dont confuse this with people with real handicaps) is the excuse most people I see riding ATV's use. They're really quite cabable and arent handicapped except that they cant pass a McDonalds without going through the drive-through, and think excercise is playing their gameboy. Being a lazy fat ass isnt a handicap, its a choice.

Sorry that my post was a little tough for a guy with all those street smarts to follow...I'll try to tone down on the big words and proper grammer so you wont be so confused.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 07-10-2003 22:15: Message edited by: BuzzH ]</font>
 
Rockydog is right. ATVs suck.

LostAgain, ask your granddaddy how many riflescopes ruined good elk hunting areas.

I took my ATV elk hunting one time about a dozen years ago. On that one trip I learned that if I ever wanted to kill a good bull it would have to be somewhere that all those stereotypical lazy, whining, crybaby bastards couldn't drive ATVs. It's even worse these days.

I own one. .. .but if they get banned altogher I'd have a big celebration!

I'd probably join the KKK, the Rainbow People, Gay Pride, PETA, or some other simple minded lame-ass morons long before I'd support any ATV enthusiast group in any way.
 
Are ATV's included in the P-R act?

A fee included on a license for the ATV?

Is there a fee for the use of the trail?

Or any others where they contribute to the funds for the public trails they use???

Or do they just use it the lands without contributing $$?

Just want to know.
 
As I read the two articles in this thread, it appears that:

1.) ATVA thinks they need to hitch their wagon to the hunters, and use hunting as their Trojan Horse for more access, less regulations.

2.) And like the other post where BRC said we need ATV access in order for forest health, the ATVA wants to believe that they are now environmentally friendly because 50 of their machines broke up hard soil on one-square-mile of public and private land?
That fire was 137,760 acres, and 50 atv's helped rehabilitate 640 acres?
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I guess they are serious when they say they "leave no trace"....
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Nut, nobody gets a free ride.

The National Recreational Trails Fund was established in 1991 by the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act (ISTEA). The Trails Fund was designed to return a portion of the estimated $167 million in federal fuel taxes paid by off-highway recreation users-such as fuel used by snowmobiles, all-terrain vehicles (ATV’s), off-highway vehicles (OHV’s) and off-road light trucks, to the states for both motorized and non-motorized trail-related projects, including trail reconstruction and maintenance.

In 1998, the Transportation Equity Act for the Twenty-First Century (TEA-21) significantly expanded this very successful program, now known as the Recreational Trails Program (RTP). The RTP has contract spending authority in the amount of $270 million over six years, with half divided equally among the States and the other half distributed in proportion to the estimated tax revenue from off-highway recreational fuel use in each State.
 
I got in some real good riding last weekend with my boys and some friends in the Elk River area. Had a great time. Saw some idiots and met a few nice people.

This afternoon I'll be heading out with my boys to some elky spots. No ATV's this week. We'll be scouting and stump shooting all weekend in some nice, deep, dark, cool drainages. Can't wait!
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Just because I ride ATV's for fun doesn't make me a lazy fat ass. As a matter of fact, I don't think my ass is fat at all. Might be getting a little of the ol' dunlop, if ya know what I mean, but the ol' ass isn't too big yet as far as I know. I'll have to ask the wife.
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I get tired of some of the idiots out there that seem to have left the better part of their brain in the fuel tank of their ATV, but the greeny, "I don't have one so they ought to be outlawed" group make me just as sick.

49 days and a wake up! Can't wait!!!!!
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yea you gotta watch some of these so called intellectual`s [buzz] they tend to generalize everything [must be the liberal school the went to] ALL atv rider`s are fat asses! dam they sure are smart. tear down the dam`s and save the fishes, by the way i haven`t seen a snaildarter or a humpback chub lately.
 

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