98% favor less motorized access...

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The new proposals for the Rocky Mountain Front travel plan have received 98% approval for less motorized travel...

Heres the facts, read them and weap...another blow to the fat-assed ATV crowd...

Forest Service floats travel plan maps for Front district

By SONJA LEE
Tribune Staff Writer

The U.S. Forest Service is considering five options for differing levels of motorized and nonmotorized travel in the Rocky Mountain Front.

Released this week, the alternatives are part of a controversial, multiyear effort to update the travel plan for the Rocky Mountain Ranger District. The plan was last updated in 1988.

Travel plans govern public access to national forest lands.

The five alternatives for the Front range from no motorized travel to looped trails that separate motorized travel from hikers and horseback riders.

The travel plan covers 392,000 acres of forest land in Glacier, Lewis and Clark, Teton and Pondera counties. It does not include designated wilderness areas.

The Forest Service on Monday released detailed maps of the alternatives, including summaries of their general features.

"We've provided a pretty good myriad of alternatives to be considered," said Rocky Mountain District Ranger Mike Muñoz.

Muñoz said he is pleased alternatives include opportunities for disabled hunters. In the fourth alternative, for example, motorized access for disabled hunters would be in areas of the Sun River and South Fork Teton.

Several people said they are thrilled to see a variety of options.

"There are some very good alternatives in there," said Roy Jacobs, a Choteau taxidermist and member of the Coalition to Protect the Front.

In 2002, the Forest Service released a different proposal for revising travel management in the Rocky Mountain Ranger District. It allowed motorized travel by motorcycles, off-road vehicles and snowmobiles in portions of the Front. The existing travel plan also allows motorized travel in areas.

Ehnes said he expects most of the new alternatives further restrict motorized uses.

"Historically, travel plans have decreased motorized options," he said.

The public is invited to check out the five new maps online. When the draft Environmental Impact Statement, a detailed analysis of the maps, is released in the coming months, there will be a formal public comment period, said Bonnie Dearing, public affairs officer for the Lewis and Clark National Forest.

"This is something new we are doing to keep the public informed," she said. "But this does not open a formal public comment period."

Dusty Crary, who ranches outside Choteau, said he intends to take a close look at the maps.

"One of the things I'll be looking for is to make sure there is no use where it hasn't already been," he said.

He also said he will check the areas that have experienced problems with motorized use.

The Forest Service examined fish habitat, wildlife, erosion and noxious weed management as it developed the proposals. All of the alternatives examine motorized travel necessary for law enforcement and fire management.

The third alternative is based on comments from the public, which asked that traditional foot and horse travel be maintained and motorized travel on trails be eliminated.

About 7,600 people commented on the initial proposal. And about 98 percent of the respondents from across the country urged the Forest Service to favor nonmotorized travel, like hiking and horseback riding, according to an analysis by the Coalition to Protect the Rocky Mountain Front.

Under the third alternative, trails would be closed year round to motorized travel. Existing main access roads to trailheads, developed campgrounds and other facilities would be open to vehicles.

Jacobs said he supports the third option, or eliminating motorized use. The Rocky Mountain Front is a pristine area where traditional uses should be enjoyed.

The fifth alternative was developed after consultation with the Blackfeet tribal government.

It does not allow motorized vehicles on roads in the Badger-Two Medicine area. The Badger-Two Medicine is an important historical, cultural and religious site for the Blackfeet.

Snowmobiling also would be prohibited. The alternative provides for limited motorized recreation on a smaller system of trails in the southern two-thirds of the Rocky Mountain Ranger District.

William "Allen" Talks About, Blackfeet Tribal Business Council chairman, said he favors a plan that keeps motorized travel out of the Badger-Two Medicine.

Lou Bruno of East Glacier said it is imperative to better protect the Badger-Two Medicine. People are abusing the land, and the current travel restrictions are not being enforced.

He said the alternatives are a step in the right direction, but a travel plan can't be overly complicated or it won't work.

"You've got to have ironclad options," he said.
 
Getting my way again...

My advice to all...buy stock in hiking boot companies...

On the ATV stock...SELL!, SELL!, SELL!....
 
BuzzH said:
Getting my way again...

My advice to all...buy stock in hiking boot companies...

On the ATV stock...SELL!, SELL!, SELL!....

Anything you would like to recommend ? Wolverine,Red wing etc. i`m always looking for a good stock.......hey does that mean that there will be a glut of cheap ATV`s?
 
BuzzH said:
Getting my way again...

My advice to all...buy stock in hiking boot companies...

On the ATV stock...SELL!, SELL!, SELL!....

Oh, did you Initiate all of this? Man that Short Mans complex is really getting to you lil buzz!!! :wank:
 
W. Slayer,

Yes I did initiate all this...as one of the 7600 United States Citizens who took the time to comment on MY PUBLIC LANDS.

Oh, and I was in the 98% that wanted no motorized access...in case you were wondering.
 
Who is the "Coalition to Protect the Rocky Mountain Front"? They sound like another wacko special interst group that burns down homes because they are too close to a forest or destroys cars because they get poor mileage. Judging from their website they are only interested in protecting Montana areas of the "Rocky Mountain Front". They haven't done much for any other state, including Wyoming and Arizona.

Also..where are the comments on the 1st, 2nd, and 4th alternatives? You know, the ones that will actually be implemented. They are mysteriously missing from this article. From their websiteRocky Mountain Front :
"Almost the entire Front is "inventoried roadless area" that would be protected from road construction under the Roadless Rule. However, with the rule in court and the Bush administration backtracking from the policy, it is unclear how much protection the roadless rule will provide the Front."
Looks like Buzz is
Getting my way again...
LOL


Yes I did initiate all this...as one of the 7600 United States Citizens who took the time to comment on MY PUBLIC LANDS.
They are not YOUR public lands. They are OUR public lands. Make sure you get that straight next time.

I think elk season is closed now, but damn, Buzz season must still be open because he is taking shots from everyone lately.
 
BuzzH said:
W. Slayer,

Yes I did initiate all this...as one of the 7600 United States Citizens who took the time to comment on MY PUBLIC LANDS.

Oh, and I was in the 98% that wanted no motorized access...in case you were wondering.

I'd agree there needs to be a huge decrease in Motorized travel! I have ATVs and again never took them off the trailer the whole hunting season. If I shot an animal and could have packed it to a trail, I would have used it. But the snow was way to deep and I saw over 78 Elk but couldn't get in on them to make a kill.

I hunt areas where there is limited ATV use and prefer to hunt those areas. I wish they would close the whole White Clould Mountain range from Motorized use here in Idaho. I really doubt that will happen but we'll see!

You saying all ATV people are bad is so wrong and makes you look like an Idiot! If you would look at and take time to see both sides you may see a lot more ATVers would be on your side if you'd not be so extreme and LISTEN TO SOME OF THEM! Saying all are Fatass, lazy, so and so only makes all of them hate the cause even more.

I just got back from a Hunting trip in Southern Idaho and we shot Ducks, Pheasant,Quail, picked up a few sheds and saw over 300 head of Deer and probably covered over 8 miles walking Sunday. ( I'll post pics when the roll of film is done) I could have rode my ATVs over 90% of this area but chose to enjoy a nice Sunday walking my ass off and do some real hunting.

If you wouldn't be such an argumentative prick, maybe some people would take validation into what infromation you provide! (Because you do provide some good info). You just try to make everyone seem like they are fuc$!&@ stupid and you know everything. Lose the attitude and maybe you will gain ground in what you are looking for!
 
One question I would ask, where was this poll actually taken?
With that high %, I am guessing it was on some collage campus some where in S. Cal.
Or from a PETA site some where. It sure wasn't taken by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, or some other actual outdoors oriented organization.
Polls are some thing that some people like to really take as a true sign of the times, but as we all know, there is no polls out there that are truely midle of the road. They only show the side that is paying for it. I am guessing that if the poll had gone the other way, it would never have showed up on this board by this individual. I could be wrong, but Buzz and I have the luxury of three years of history to lean back on. ;)
 
Elkchsr- I'm pretty sure the percentages are from those that actually took the time to send in written comments on the issue. So, responses could have come from anywhere and anyone. Which if what you state is true, just reinforces the fact that too many hunters are apethic enough not to send in comments.

About 7,600 people commented on the initial proposal. And about 98 percent of the respondents from across the country urged the Forest Service to favor nonmotorized travel, like hiking and horseback riding,
 
Pointer is right, came from the written comments received for the proposal.

Oh, and Cfree, Roy Jacobs is the ring leader of the coalition to save the Rocky Mountain Front...and is a taxidermist in Choteau, I've met Roy a couple times, I'm sure he'd appreciate that a punk from AZ thinks he's a wacko enviromentalist. In case you're wondering Choteau is right in the middle of the Front. The Coalition is made up of mostly local people that live in the Augusta-Choteau area, mostly ranchers, outfitters, hunters, fishermen, and concerned citizens or in your words "the wacko's".

Oh, and you're also wrong about the other alternatives, its going to be 3 all the way, count on it.
 
Buzz sounds like your still mad about that "spanking" Cfree gave you last week..very harsh..mean Buzz...bad boy.
 
Hey cjcj,

You keep forgetting, ATVers are getting shut down more and more...who wants that to happen????

Yep, I'm getting "spanked" all the time.

While you guys are busy "spanking" me, your getting spanked by the BLM, STATE, and FS...and your motorized options are getting a serious "spanking"...
 
I never put stock in anything someone says has 98% approval on a controversial topic. If the percentage from Buzz is accurate the poll had to have been taken at his alma mater in Berkley. As for Arizona we havent had any push here to restrict ATV use other than near the cities where the punks are ripping up the land and I support that. If you want to compare another poll situation how about exit polls in the election. Wonder how "shrub" got to stay in the white house? 98% of the voters voted for Kerry, right? If this has 98% support when will it be implemented? Probably not until the majority of citizens support it or a democrap gets elected and neither is likely to happen soon.
 
Ringer,

Are you as stupid as ElkCheeser? There was no poll. There were comments. They counted the 7600 comments, and found that 98% were in favor of banning the Fat-Assed ATV crowd.

No polls were taken, no animals were harmed, just like your shampoo. :D
 
Ringer,

Like Gunner said, it wasnt a poll, it was written comments received on the issue of access on the Rocky Mountain Front.

The final plan will come out, more rounds of comments (which will again show a land-slide of public support for less/no motorized travel) and then the plan will be implemented by the USFS...based in large part on public comments received.

Oh, and the alma mater is the University of Montana---school of Forestry.
 
Likker in the fron-poker in the rear. Doesn't matter if it was a poll or letters written by all the tight knit members of elves of the forest, my man dubya won't let you guys have your way with the country if it doesn't make sense for the majority of citizens. I am just a bit more mature than you name callers. WE WON AND YOU LOST! NEENER NEENER NEENER!! And Buz you better be nice 'cause dubya is your boss.
 
Ringer,

Might I suggest a class in Natural Resource Policy...I heard that NAU has a decent forestry program...or move to Missoula, their school of Forestry teaches a mean Policy course.

The people deciding the issue of motorized access on the front will be those that comment. Whether forest elves or New York City mall rats comment, if a majority want less access and voice approval for that alternative...well, thats what the District Ranger/Forest Supervisor will direct the agency to accept. They dont need Shrubs approval as they clearly work for the Public.

Shrub has very little to no power in the outcome of this proposal, the Gallatin just passed a similar measure...as did the Beaverhead, and many others...all under the Shrub Presidency.

So, I guess the bottom line is you dont understand basic Resource Policy, study up, then we'll continue the discussion.
 
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