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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    "Well I just like it the way it is" is not a good reason to stop improving our system. For many, the system is working great, all they want is to go hunting. Who are we to tell them it should change? “Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no...
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    wllm - whatever. Fact, when E-16 went to OTC bull only, participation dropped from 1485 to around 400. 1,000 guys who used to hunt OTC in E-16 hunted OTC somewhere else. By the leftover list, thousands of OTC bowhunters in the SW will be hunting OTC in some elses OTC spot. When they limit GMU...
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    Not sure what your point is, sounds like your trying to say I told you so, but that is not what we said. All those available licenses, as of now, are displaced OTC bowhunters that are going to make someone elses hunt suck when they stay with an OTC tag. It did exactly what we said, in...
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    Please don't bring up wounding on any public forum. Anti-hunters are just looking for another reason to shut down all methods of take. Why would you ever bring that up? And then you describe it as an archery issue? WTF? Most archers get one shot. A rifle hunter has one in the chamber, and a...
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    I have little time to debate an issue that is over, I am knee deep in year end quickbooks with better things to do. I merely came on to defend being called selfish. I will say I am always shocked at how guys complain that the archery season is to long, rather than complain the rifle season is...
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    Better idea - you do it. Show up at the CBA board meeting on Saturday and run for CPW liaison. All fixed.
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    "Nope they will now be subject to the 35% rule instead of being unlimited so there will be less NR hunters. The quota will be based on current numbers under the current numbers there is something like 40-50% NR in the unit, so even though the quota might be reduced there will be more Resident...
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    The resource across the state is 287,000 elk with unlimited tags. It is at objective. In the 4 DAU's in the SW there are 43,000 elk with unlimited rifle bull tags. In E-16, when they want to limit archers it was 4500 elk with a season structure set to kill elk including either sex rifle, and and...
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    "Protecting the resource is the primary objective." This is just me, but I totally disagree with that. I care about the wildlife resource, but my primary directive is found in the book of Matthew 22 36-40 You can put yourself on this high wildlife pedestal, I disagree. If I ever don't look out...
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    I forgot one, bowhunters will move according to our survey. Not only did we get limited - we got either sex licensing taken away. Now, very few with any sort of preference points will apply as a first choice. The licenses may all go to NR's with zero points on first choice apps. Will hunter...
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    Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission Meeting - January 15 - 16, 2020

    That is the funniest thing I have ever heard! Selfish? Who is being selfish? I think it is the whiner who says I can't take 6316 fellow hunters on what might be 10 MILLION acres of public and private land, while rifle hunters are 15,000 plus! The selfish ones are the guys that want fewer people...
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    CO - Tag Allocation R v. NR - CORA Data

    TABOR might be a nightmare for some, last thing i want uncontrolled government. While we could use some spending on roads and other things, I like it when the folks at the capital can't spend money they don't have. You guys did get me thinking, we live in an "either or" state. Hunting with an A...
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    CO - Tag Allocation R v. NR - CORA Data

    I would doubt archers with A tags buy B tags for rifle seasons. We have 30 days. Would a primarily A tag rifle Hunter get an archery B tag to extend his short season...sure. Not me, I'd just do plains archery deer.
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    CO - Tag Allocation R v. NR - CORA Data

    One last thought before I go back to work...allocation is really implemented at a hunt code level. That is a low level. Your looking at things from a really high level, all rolled up to the top. I am not sure it helps to do that. I'd look at it from the lowest segment possible, sliced and diced...
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    CO - Tag Allocation R v. NR - CORA Data

    I don't have any report on B list tag usage. I have requested it. Hard to get.
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    CO - Tag Allocation R v. NR - CORA Data

    Until I see a report from CPW that shows a breakdown of B list cow tag usage by CID, I will continue to assume they are largely 2nd tags, in the pocket of the same unique hunter. If they aren't, we are degrading the hunt of the A list holder, so someone can double up on seasons. That said, I...
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    CO - Tag Allocation R v. NR - CORA Data

    This data is from Andy Holland, CPW Big Game Manager. It compares OTC archery to OTC rifle. It is not from a CORA request, I asked, he got the data and gave it to me. If you look at limited licenses, we already have an allocation policy of 65/35, and 80/20. What really need to be done, is have...
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    CO - Tag Allocation R v. NR - CORA Data

    For archery, all cow tags are b list. A tags are either sex. In license sales cpw suggests we have 48 to 50000 hunters. The true number is 35000 Otc, and 6525 limited. True headcount is 41525 not 50000. If you want to have an allocation discussion, it needs to be about A tags, and people...
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    CO - Tag Allocation R v. NR - CORA Data

    I don't have alot of time today, but a true measure is headcount, not license sales. B list cow tags are second tags. True allocation is headcount. Archery is 52 res 48 nr in Otc. Limited should be sorta close to 65/35. There is no point in including b list cow tags whatsoever
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    Colorado - 5-year Big Game Season Structure

    Google truncated many of the survey responses, here is the text of the full survey questions including the preambles... Survey text Questions
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