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Blue Lives Matter
This discussion really is a great example of people who have convinced themselves they are on opposing sides of an issue because they are talking past one another and focusing on two different problems. We see it all the time. So many discussions these days turn into "zero sum game"...- Justabirdwatcher
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How do they say... not good optics...- Justabirdwatcher
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I can't disagree with that. I'm just not going to stand here and throw stones because Lord knows I did some stupid sht growing up, and even a few things since. And I know a lot of guys who only got out of jail time because they knew the officers or the officers knew them or their family...- Justabirdwatcher
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Yea, none of us have ever made a series of (multiple?) foolish choices, ever. I'm sure all of us who have, are lucky to be alive today.- Justabirdwatcher
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They are given extraordinary leeway when it comes to justifying a shooting, and the incredibly low conviction rate for police officers that have killed attests to society's historical tolerance of police force. And there are valid reasons for this as well.- Justabirdwatcher
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Blue Lives Matter
We can trace it all back to a woman with an apple, I'm pretty sure.- Justabirdwatcher
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Seeth, that would help explain the officer's actions and will surely be brought up in his trial. I wonder if the internet jockeys, talk radio and everyone else who will weigh in on Blake's actions will bother to spend any time at all looking at what things in his life led him to this point. In...- Justabirdwatcher
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Blue Lives Matter
We need both. No need for qualifiers.- Justabirdwatcher
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Blue Lives Matter
Read the last few pages. There are explanations there that will address your biases if you want to see them. If not, then nothing will change your mind anyway. Your comment actually helps make my point in a way - that there are a disproportionately high number of officer/subject encounters...- Justabirdwatcher
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Blue Lives Matter
Not sure what you mean by "the real problem."- Justabirdwatcher
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I haven't seen those data and not sure where you'd find it tbh. However, if officers are stopping blacks at a disproportionate rate (which has also been proven), then it would stand to reason that more encounters = more shootings. To look at this issue objectively, you really need to remove...- Justabirdwatcher
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I like math and statistics. Because we have math and statistics, we don't have to guess about these things, or create boogeymen to scare people with. We can instead engage our brains, analyze the problem, and then come up with solutions to those problems. Of course, we have to agree on what...- Justabirdwatcher
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Alright, it seems you're more interested in creating a distraction than responding to the topic, so I'll do the math, in context... 328M U.S. Citizens 207.9M White (63.4%) 43.9M Black (13.4%) 215 Whites shot/207.9M = 0.0001034% 111 Blacks shot/43.9M = 0.0002528% Or roughly 2.5 times more...- Justabirdwatcher
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Very well put. I wish every citizen had to complete those simulators at least once. They are very eye opening as you say. I think "part" of the point that the BLM and their supporters are making speaks to something you said above... "it can just be a matter of the cop reading a situation...- Justabirdwatcher
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Blue Lives Matter
Like I said a long way back, I'm not sure why pointing out that a certain group of people is being disproportionately targeted should make anyone defensive.- Justabirdwatcher
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Now to put those numbers in context, change the figures to a % of the total population. I'll get you started. Whites are 63.4% of the U.S. Population, while blacks are just 13.4%- Justabirdwatcher
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This I agree with, and it's something the far right extremists are not willing to acknowledge.- Justabirdwatcher
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It has nothing to do with that. Case law and learning from dead officer's mistakes is what creates policy and training tactics. Don't shoot the messenger. I hate it that anyone was killed. It seemed very unnecessary. But neither of us were there and heard what they heard or saw what they...- Justabirdwatcher
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