Here's a new article, Corner crossers reach for federal court, access to 1.6M Western acres, describing the hunters' efforts to get their civil case transferred to federal court and their plans to use UIA against the elk mountain ranch. I would be interested in hearing opinions about this in the...
I see your point and the variable of time is often left out of so many discussions and arguments. I guess it depends on what the purpose of the public land is. In Wyoming its (State land) primary function is defined as revenue generation to fund education, which is currently running a $100M+...
While the landowner in the current Wyoming corner crossing case does not appear to be a winsome character, the vast majority of landowners that I know display far less greed than many on this site do (including you in this post). Most of the landowners I know DON'T lease to outfitters, could...
First, I don't think anyone is served well by the ambiguity of the legality of corner crossing. I think the best place to start is to define clearly if corner crossing is legal. If if is, under what conditions (i.e. does there need to be a pin/monument, what about fences that exist, etc.). I...
I listened carefully to both podcasts. I also just sat through an 8-hr hearing on Thursday for a group of private individuals trying to get legal access to their family's ranch that they own and have been accessing for more than a century. In this hearing, a couple of wealthy landowners with...
Just for clarity in case someone tries to go this route. Basically you ARE on the hook as a private landowner for the cost of a survey. Here's an excerpt of the response I got when I asked the FS about this:
"The Forest Service conducts boundary surveys in connection with projects on the Forest...
I'm not sure that a "do the best you can" approach will work. What you're describing above is essentially a grant of easement for public use, just more ambiguously defined. Access isn't defined as the "best info you have with your phone app," not in Wyoming at least. Access must either be...
In thinking more about this, another subtle issue is that the discussion of corner crossing turns, in the minds of many it seems, based on the assumption that all checkerboard corners look like the one pictured in the Elk Mountain case (i.e. a pin with some prohibitive posts). I have not found...
The traffic is at least as bad in the Snowies. But lots of guys will just drive up to the Snowies and hunt for the day -- the Sierras are a bit too far for that, so my experience is that more of the hunters in the Sierras are also camping.
I was also wondering that after listening to the 2nd podcast...plus it elevates it to the federal level, which would preempt state legislature action opposing it.
Both the Sierras and the Snowies are pretty crowded and the blowdown is bad in both. I think the blowdown is contributing the feeling of being crowded--in many places no one can really walk through the timber anymore, so everyone is on the edges where you can see them. On opening morning in the...
Thanks for the level-headed and balanced thinking on this issue. Some things you didn't say much about (maybe I missed it) that I believe also contribute to the issue coming to a head now are:
1) Ubiquitous use of relatively accurate GPS -- finding survey pins is much easier today than it was...
Except, of course, for the example I just gave you with the Old Elk Ranch. I guess if you weren't the one accessing it, it was a bunch of BS...but for the guy that was, not so much.
As far as reaching out to my county commissioners, I'm currently involved in a lawsuit against them, so I doubt...
I donated because I would really like to see a resolution on this issue. But I do think there's something to lose. In particular, if the parcel in question is a State section, the irritated landowner can just purchases the section outright. As an example, see the Old Elk Ranch purchase east of...