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Podcast on Montana Mule Deer ideas
I get that's the strategy, but I'm talking about how it'll be measured to ensure it's working as intended and what that measure of success would be for the stated goal to be accomplished.- Sioux33
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Podcast on Montana Mule Deer ideas
I too think there's some good things coming out of this proposal, but have similar thoughts to this about goals, and specifically goal #2: reduce hunter crowding, which to me is way bigger deal than not seeing the numbers of animals I expect to. I think it'd be helpful to understand more about...- Sioux33
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Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
ND has LE rifle and OTC archery into January with about 10% of the public land MT does. If we’re gonna say that, then MT is also apples to asparagus with WY, ID, CO, you name it. Western ND and Eastern MT are just about identical landscapes, so I don’t know why you wouldn’t compare the two? -
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Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
Wel it’s better than wiping out all of October. This would also guarantee them an archery rut hunt every year, like ND does. Would even let them bow hunt MD and/or WT during that time. -
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Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
With the talk of throwing out additional proposals, I’ve thrown this out already, but figure I’ll try it again, see below. It basically combines ND and CO, two awesome deer states. Has some LE and opportunity, keeps the muley/WT split and doesn’t add any stress to landowners. I’d also say it... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
Doesn't have to be identical to CO's season dates, but I think social acceptance would be higher to be able to hunt a portion of late Oct/early November or a shorter window in late November than 31 days in October, especially social acceptance amongst landowners. And if hunters need more, maybe... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
I should clarify that I'm against landowner tags, didn't mean for that to be part of the CO conversation. I think you could still have the whitetail/mule deer split that was proposed and pick your region, but then funnel down the numbers similar to CO. You could also take what ND does and have... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
Colorado is arguably the best mule deer state in the west and they have damn near the same exact season dates as us, this year it’s 10/26-11/24. The difference is they actually manage how many people can hunt at separate times during that stretch. Something like that seems a lot more realistic... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
That is my point. They currently pick one for the most part (yes they probably hunt both, but the main focus and 90% of their time is spent on one or the other). This proposal changes that to allow them to pick both, which leads to a lot more hunter days and a lot higher probability of animals... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
Hard to say, but I’d guess a lot less. The main problem is crowding in the east and the vast majority of those folks are after muleys, not whitetails. -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
I think there's a huge misconception that anyone pointing out a single flaw with this proposal is some Elmer Fudd wannabe who's pissed they won't get to road hunt all November. That's the farthest thing from the truth. I haven't seen a single post about losing their right to hunt in November... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
These are my biggest concerns as well. So the question is how do we get mule deer hunting out of the rut without really screwing up some pretty decent elk hunting and block management? I would say just have a general mule deer season for a couple weeks, then turn it into LE for the majority of... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
Idaho had the same issue with elk. NR’s could go anywhere general so tons of hunters wound up in the same areas. A couple years ago they capped units for NR’s and it sounds like things have improved significantly. Doesn’t seem unreasonable. -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
I'd argue that the issue isn't what archers need to give up, it's how we can make something suitable for everyone, maintain an "opportunity state" because FWP will always hang it's hat on that, but keep that opportunity out of the rut and relieve public lands so the animals are willing to stick... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
See post #363, I did post my plan if it were up to me. I agree changes are way overdue, but not bringing up valid concerns for discussion and living in an echo chamber isn't a great way to approach change. -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
Couldn't the argument be made that this plan actually increases pressure on deer and elk? There's no dead period to allow things to settle down on public land. Rifle seasons for antlered elk and deer increase pressure dramatically. It's unfair to compare that to shoulder seasons and October... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
Well we can agree to disagree I guess then. All I know is a lot of landowners that lease out, do it in part to avoid the headache of dealing with hunters. Increasing that headache doesn't seem dubious or trivial to me, especially with how important block management is to all of us. I do agree... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
Most BMA's that I know of refuse to allow shoulder seasons. This takes rifle season from 10/1-11/25, so hunter participation, knocking on doors, evening phone calls, etc. would increase drastically. 92 day hunting isn't a change, but the participation level would be a huge change. -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
Was there any discussion on how landowners and Block participants would view a 92 day straight hunting season? With the number of hunter complaints these days, I think the increase in the number of rifle days, which will drastically increases hunter participation and landowner complaints... -
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Montana General Season Structure Proposal
So, there's a couple themes coming up that might need more compromise to get all parties to agree. One, the intent of this plan is to reduce pressure on the resource, but I'm not sure how that happens when it increases the number of huntable days, has no "dead" period to give public lands a...
