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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    According to this podcast, 54.5% of the total elk are obtained by a New Mexico resident hunter without paying a landowner or outfitter. https://hunttalkradio.com/2022/11/21/episode-199-wildlife-trustees-accountable-to-who/
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    Residents pay 90 bucks. You're going to tell me that when tens of thousands of New Mexican residents are going without a tag every year, and 40% of the New Mexico elk tags are getting sold for 20x-200X their resident rate that is somehow not exactly how it looks? I think it's pretty straight...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Arizona, are all have growing or steady elk populations. This idea that we have to pimp out 40% of the elk to premium purchasers to make a herd grow is complete and utter nonsense. New Mexico Pronghorn populations are decreasing and they have a 67% set aside for...
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    Montana Mule Deer Raffle

    Am I correct in thinking it's more than the Wyoming one sold for? But, bad winter may have something to do with that? https://www.onlinehuntingauctions.com/auction.aspx?as=96537
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    I'm not sure exactly. But these graphics sure make it look like a good chunk of the primary elk habitat is public land. But again, it doesn't matter. The public owns 100% of the elk, regardless of whether or not they're on private or public land. If you don't agree, lawyer up and take it to...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    You may very well be correct on your numbers. But I don't have to look hard at all to find the tags for 10-12k and the guided hunts for 20k. So while you may be right, I don't think it's disingenuous at all to say a lot of these tags essentially represent $20k to many of the eplus...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    I agree with everything you say here. But 40% of the public's tags? That is highest in the country by 37%. Nevada is 2nd in the nation and allows 3% of their tags to be transferable. Utah allows 2%. but 40%? Again, no one in support of this system would have that same support if they...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    Someone provide a legal reference that proves me wrong, but as far as I'm aware, there is no such thing as a private elk herd unless it's a high fence operation and the elk are essentially livestock. All wild elk, whether on public land or private land, are held in trust for the residents of...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    Sure, just like the landowner gets to decide who he gives access too for hunting. Again, he owns his land and I don't dispute that. What I'm saying is that your analogy of a subsidy still does not mean it's a free for all for that industry and they get whatever they want. Besides, the...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    I agree with some of what you say, to an extent, but I still don't think it's apples to apples. Wildlife are a public resource, held in trust by the residents of that state. That has been decided in federal courts time and time again. That changes the parameters of your analogy. I work in...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    Would you pay $20K for that private land access without an elk tag? Edit: what I’m saying is the access is only valuable if you have an elk tag in your pocket. New Mexico is taking that tag from the public and giving it to the landowner, and offering nothing in return to the public. So it...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    This is where I heard it. New Mexico wildlife federation guys. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hunt-quietly/id1631381367?i=1000655333337
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    I can’t remember where I heard this, but it’s something like eplus tags collectively sell for something like double the total annual budget of the New Mexico game and fish department. And that’s just elk eplus tags. Edit: if you include the guiding/outfitting side of that business it’s...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    Nevada and Utah were able to do that without giving away 40+% of the elk tags. In fact, they did it for a fraction of that. And they got something in return for the public. But again…the chess board is yours.
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    I’m sure resident New Mexicans will agree that they should pay 20x more for their elk tags. That’s where you are mistaken. This isn’t about me. I rarely even apply to New Mexico. A handful of lesser priced landowner tags is irrelevant to the broader conversation. Resident New Mexicans are...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    If it’s not obvious by now, we will likely not come to an agreement on this issue. I dont believe in the privatization of a public resource to the point that it corrupts the democratic allocation of that resource. Aka, taking disproportionate amounts of public opportunity away from the public...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    Cool.
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    I wasn’t wrong, just speaking in generalization. If you think a bull elk doesn’t represent $20k to some of those landowners through this eplus system, you’re off your rocker. I would bet some of those plus tags are tied to a guided hunt and there’s no way to even buy it without paying the guide...
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    New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

    I still can't find Vermejo in any of the documents. Which list? Link? Do those tags get converted back to the public draw for residents? My understanding is that they do not. David Stanley's own website says they're almost sold out. So, however many codes he converts to paid hunts (aka the...
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